Scene: Mid-city warehouse district. Me at job interview early 2000s.

Me: So what is it you do here. The job description says you are looking for a developer?

Them: Oh, we make and sell boxes.

Me: Like the cardboard boxes you get delivered?

Them: Yes, exactly!

Me: Okay, so where does software fit in that? Are you aware of development cycles? {Other interview questions I can't remember}

Them: Oh, we don't know the technical part too much. We want to automate some of it.

Me: ...