xXx~Pu55yDe5troy3r69~xXx, is this you? I saw you the other day on the StackOverflow Discord where you were helping me with my HTML-RegEx! Thanks again!
Please don't make posts like this here.
I'd rather rather compromise on a couple of laughs than see HN become a generic reddit like forum / social network.
Just may 2 cents
I've had similar problems. I fully agree with the other commenter: if you have a point, just say it minus the cheek.
As mentioned in another comment: Quite the opposite.
Discord should easily allow to have completely separate identities with no connection to each other at all.
If that's not possible and there's the risk of mixing up my private life and whatnot with my work life, Discord should not be the place/service to use.
HN expects you to be civil, and abide by the "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence " paradigm. I find them to be reasonable requirements.
If you'd like to express more heterodox views then there are a few rationalist-adjacent splinter groups around the internet with excellent discourse over a wide range of opinions. Each splinter group has different overton windows, but they're all of a really high quality.
I don't see how this contributtes to the civil discussion we are trying to have here on an interesting post.
I'd recommend just using the browser to make an alt.
Mods in smaller communities frequently greet everyone. If you pop in to check something then leave, you might as well @everyone that they're not good enough for you so you're out.
That said, Threads seem like they could have some functionality in some technical discords.
I think that's a very valid concern and I think it's a actually problem when Discord does not allow you to have different identities or switch easily between them without any connection at all.
When a mod confronts them over a violation, they'll say something like "Oh. Sorry. But now that I have your attention, can you help me with this quick thing?" Mods who deal with this stuff over and over will start getting tyrannical with their rule-enforcement, and I don't blame them.
That's a big reason why forums are better for Q&A.
Meanwhile people mostly arrive at forums from google searches and link to posts without thinking about it.
It's the difference between writing a book and giving a speech. Imagine if we started burning books because people can just talk over a phone. That's what replacing forums with discord is.
Moving from forums to discord is another step in destroying everything that made open web great. It's sad that people don't even understand what they are losing.
For what it is worth, Discord does have permalinks to old messages. You definitely aren't going to find a 10 year old link today in large part because Discord hasn't been around 10 years yet, but I've copy and pasted Discord permalinks before to get points across and I have friends that use it for answering FAQs (have notes full of Discord links to copy/paste to answer common questions).
For what it is worth, there are users that use search on Discord (including the sorts that copy/paste the permalinks to answer FAQs). Maybe "nobody" thinks to "search first" is a truism, but even then I've seen plenty of forums full of the exact same users that never think to search first when they enter a forum and go directly to asking a question previously answered many times before. (Even when they arrive in a forum from a google search on that very question, people like/prefer the immediacy/power/relationship of folks responding directly to them than a canned answer.)
I'm not saying Discord is particularly great at some of these use cases or even the right answer, but they are very comparable and it's definitely nothing like burning books to chat over a phone. (That's a really broken analogy for several reasons.)
(ETA: If there is something to criticize Discord here for, it's much more the centralizing force problem that old forums used to be distributed across every style of web host in the old web, but Discord is a single for-profit point of failure for so many eggs to be put in one basket.)
forums don't necessarily need to block search engine crawlers to prevent bad behavior, that would most likely be done with restrictions on account registration or limitation on what new users can post (one forum I am on hides posts from new account until they've been reviewed by a mod)
People are in a hurry, if you’re not giving them what they want, then just get the fuck out of the way.
If you aren't willing to interact with people as humans, that doesn't give you the right to treat them as tools. The people who are interested in talking about some game mod don't owe you the ability to quickly look up information about it.
And it has the same problems of one-way escalating moderator strictness.
I'm not trying to downplay the problems you run in to, I've seen all of this and worse. It just seems that you chose tooling that doesn't work well for actually managing support, so you have to beat your users into the right shape to fit your software.
Godspeed, I guess.
I was referring to things like open source software, game mods, photography enthusiast communities, etc. These kinds of communities are often on Discord these days, and suffer from the problems I mentioned previously. These lead to heavy-handed moderation.
But this seems like a problem of your own making.
If users keep doing the same thing over and over, then the problem probably isn’t the users but the forum.
I think this is because discord was designed for deep users and groups of friends who had lots of preexisting context as well as a desire to be part of something longstanding.
Support forums are for people with no context and don’t want to join anything, they just need help. So making someone join a server, with specific rules they don’t give a shit about results in these problems.
There needs to be a “read only” mode that lets me read a server and explore without joining. This is a strength of forums, mailing list archives, and even IRC.
Mods complaining about modding hard stuff because they set it up to be hard doesn’t warrant much empathy from me.
The issues I described come up when you have a community that occasionally offers help. For example, there might be a Discord devoted to a game mod. People can gather there to hang out with the mod developers or just talk about gaming. They sometimes answer newbie questions, too. If you come to take advantage of their generosity, you should do it with the right attitude and respect-- just like if you show up at a game shop in real life hoping someone will teach you how to play Dungeons & Dragons.
And IRC has solved this problem for like what 40 years. The issue, I think, is discord servers have variable and unintuitive rules that users fail to understand.
I think I like protocols that follow the robustness principle in being accepting of lots of different inputs.
I personally have found the search on Discord to be very robust and good, actually. I'm curious to see why you are saying it's not searchable?
Alternatively, in the UI they could let you sign in to multiple accounts and then provide another layer of tabs to let you switch between those. That would help keep things organized but also can make navigation more difficult by adding another level to the navigation tree.
That's obviously less relevant when a majority of users are using desktop or mobile apps rather than browsers, but a plugin interface even for closed-source commercial desktop software used to be far more common than it is now, leaving users dependent on the development team to add features and usability.
I assume this decline is due to security concerns, wanting to be able to develop faster internally rather than needing to continue supporting old APIs for external developers, and marketplaces like Google Play and the App Store not wanting to enable competing marketplaces within the apps they distribute. It's a tradeoff to be sure, and I'm not sure moving past plugin functionality is a bad thing, but I find it a bit sad.
I guess if a big name like Google would ask them and ensures that privacy is preserved, they might cooperate to some degree.
How about if when the app's data is fully locked down, people start recording their screens and OCRing them? Incentivize it somehow. That way at least content that the participating users viewed would be indexed. Then you get back to trying to block people from recording their own screen with software, and after that hardware[1]. Never ending cat and mouse game.
1: https://pallycon.com/blog/choose-your-weapon-to-fight-screen... (see "Screen recording using camera")
And outside the technical level, discord also has the legal way. They can try to shut down your service, remove your code from public space and make you sink more time and money in an uphill-battle.
This is the same battle people are fighting against all walled gardens. And so far the gardens usually win. So someone taking on that fight, should be aware of this.
New users will have difficulties finding any discussion.
Forum representation is search results on Google in particular is abysmal. The way Google misrepresents the information mankind has created is actively making us less intelligent.
Stuff squirreled away in some discord server effectively doesn't exist outside of Discord's gamer chat platform. I'll take a poor representation that doesn't involve logging in and searching multiple platforms over essentially anything. What good are forums that don't appear in common search engines?
On the one hand, there are SUID binaries like Firejail and on the other, we have bubblewrap which uses unprivileged user namespaces, also used by Podman and Docker rootless containers. However, linux-hardened disables unprivileged user namespaces by default and the Arch Wiki has warnings plastered all over the Podman page about potential security risks of using unpriv user namespaces.
You speak as if these "random Arch Linux users" have written their opinions on the wiki rather than reasonable conclusions based on how unprivileged user namespaces have been a source security vulnerabilities in the past and is still seen as a security risk.
Maybe try not to let your bias get in the way?
firefox -P <profilename>
Also I have a "work" container I use for this type of thing, so that's also an option in my context menu.
We've had twenty years of pseudonymous identities on the Internet and we've put the social fabric of humanity at risk. The needle is swinging towards "you get one identity, use it wisely" and I think that has absolutely been earned by those who abused pseudonymity to hurt others. No doubt the needle will swing back someday, and I will look forward to that once I've had a few years' break from the tragedy of today.
It’s not like social media where you are required to have only one account and link it to your real name.
Using phone numbers for human verification is lazy and needlessly intrusive.
Plus in the real world, it’s also a way of separating your identities. I have a work number and personal number, and only attach the work number to business services. Sure, it won’t prevent Google from banning all your accounts but for everyone else it’s a hard barrier to correlating that you are the same person. Added to the fact that my work laptop uses VPN, and I’m pretty sure that sites like GitHub have no idea I have multiple accounts.
Is it? I can see this being the case for malicious conduct, but they have stated [1] that it's not a violation to have multiple accounts (granted, this was 4 years ago).
You can also just buy a burner sim card. Either way it’ll only cost you a few dollars.
On Android you can use an app such as App Cloner to create a new Discord app and even give the icon a custom colour.
I have more reasons to dislike discord (too bloated for my network, android app not good), by the way.
is it like slack that limit to < 10K messages on free spaces? Or Search is limitless?
Unlimited identities switchable with a few mouse clicks.
Edit: Ignore me; see reply.
You're right. Apparently the new part of the feature must be the ability for those with Nitro (the paid tier) to change their avatar per server. (At least, I'm guessing so; I've never had Nitro so I don't know if that was already available.)
This is what I get for posting too early in the morning.