They get no jail time? They get to buy their way out?!
> “Hackers-for-hire and those who otherwise support such activities in violation of U.S. law should fully expect to be prosecuted for their criminal conduct.”
I know they lose their clearances and pay a bunch of money, but this seems like it merits a lot more punishment than that.
>Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
They didn't levy war against the US, or adhere to an enemy (because the UAE isn't one).
But in general, it's not illegal for US citizens to join foreign armies (if they aren't enemies). Lots of Jewish citizens, for example, serve in the IDF.
"According to the U.S. code, any citizen who "enlists or enters himself, or hires or retains another to enlist or enter himself, or to go beyond the jurisdiction of the United States with intent to be enlisted or entered in the service of any foreign prince, state, colony, district, or people as a soldier or as a marine or seaman … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both." But a court ruling from 1896 involving U.S. citizens who fought with Cuban revolutionaries against Spanish colonial rule interpreted this to mean that it was only illegal for citizens to be recruited for a foreign army in the United States, not to simply fight in one."
https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/09/02/is-it-legal-for-america...
How many is "Lots"?
Apparently the US doesn't keep records of this phenomenon that are easily accessible.
This article^ from 2017 says 1,000 Jewish Americans serve in the IDF.
Of the ~7,000,000 Jewish Americans, that's ~0.0143% of Jewish Americans serving in the IDF.
If 1,000 joined and served each year, and live to an average age of 70, doesn't that mean ~50,000 people? That would mean ~0.714% of Jewish Americans having served in the IDF.
^ https://www.thedailybeast.com/1000-americans-are-serving-in-...
approximate number. 7.153-7.5 million are good estimates.
Specifically, the were charged with:
Violations of U.S. export control, computer fraud and access device fraud laws. The Department filed the DPA today, along with a criminal information alleging that the defendants conspired to violate such laws.
I think they are losers, scumbags and unethical and I hope that no one who reads HN ever hires them and that they never work in any capacity that comes into contact with IT, Infosec or any other hi-tech industry.
Most people feel in the software field feel the ITAR regulations as applied to code are ridiculous including but not limited to the EFF. Most consider it to be an abridgment of their 1st amendment rights.
I have worked with various companies that have contracts with the US military and other agencies. I wouldn't say they underpay. I would actually say they pay pretty well, but once again, this has to align with whatever your personal values are. Some people are quite happy to work for a three letter acronym agency and couldn't ever conceive of working for a FAANG or a foreign entity.
I am sorry that a general perception of Americans might be that we are mercenary and will run after the highest paying opportunity. There are 300 million of us, and I would say that a majority of Americans are driven by values that don't include the theft of national intelligence assets or chasing after money no matter the consequence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates%E2%80%93U...
Mudge sells Cobalt Strike out in the open.
The only difference is these guys didn’t set up a company first.
I wonder if Mudge has a license.
The US has a similar process, where companies that sell weapons to foreign governments need to get permission from the US DOD. In this case Marc, Ryan and Daniel did not go through the DOD and that is why they are being charged.