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But plenty of bogus COVID treatments and prophylactics - some even promoted by the (former) president himself. I'll admit that I don't fully understand the thought process that leads someone to reject a vaccine that's supported overwhelmingly by doctors and the government, and then take a horse dewormer because they saw some guy on youtube recommend it.

there isn't a history of marketing vaccines for profit

Maybe not vaccines, but plenty of pricing abuse by Pharmaceutical companies that make them seem like they'll do anything, even let people die, if they can earn more money. Insulin and epi-pens are two of the more well known ones.

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> then take a horse dewormer because they saw some guy on youtube recommend it.

Sigh. Your "HORSE dewormer" (thank you CNN) is one of the medications recommended by the CDC for refugees btw. I guess refugees are considered working horses, so your statement might not be false.

https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overse...

"All Middle Eastern, Asian, North African, Latin American, and Caribbean refugees should receive presumptive therapy with: ... Ivermectin, two doses 200 mcg/Kg orally once a day for 2 days before departure to the United States."

No, when I said "horse dewormer", I meant actual horse dewormer:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/horse-paste-ivermectin-flccc_...

There’s a YouTube video called “Ivermectin Horse Paste” that was published in January of this year and now has nearly 160,000 views. In it, a woman who goes by Self Sufficient Momma demonstrates how to portion out horse paste in order to make it a suitable dose for humans, depending on weight.

The fact that medical grade Ivermectin is prescribed for other ailments doesn't make it any less ludicrous that people are going to the feed store and buying tubes of horse Ivermectin to self-medicate for COVID at home.

That rumor got started because a study in mice showed it lessened the severity of infection. The doses were very high, close to lethal. There is no evidence of prophylactic use making a difference. Only early stage of infection use. Some doctors are prescribing it for covid cases. It is not surprising it would work a little, it causes an increased immune response. There are also studies linking it to melanoma shrinkage. There is a large enough parasite burden in even a developed population that a twice yearly dose might make sense for humans.

All that said, buying an oral syringe with enough ivermectin to kill people with low body mass and trying to get your dose right is a horrible idea.

It's YouTube. There is mildly popular garbage everywhere. YouTube regularly recommends videos like 'I Went Back To 1st Grade For A Day' by one Mr. Beast with 107M views, or 'CoComelon Songs For Kids' for 77M views. 160k views appears rather minor in comparison. Most of the views are probably bored teenagers looking for some novel debased spectacle.

Are you claiming peple are too smart to believe a garbage video on Youtube? I'd like to see a reference for that, because I'm not seeing much of it.

Don't forget that this is a country where people died from overdosing on aquarium chemicals because they thought the chloroquine on the label meant it would prevent COVID.

In Maricopa County, Ariz., a couple in their 60s watched politicians and news anchors on TV tout chloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that has shown the ability to disrupt some viruses but that has not yet been proved effective against the novel coronavirus.

That pharmaceutical name matched the label on a bottle of chemicals they used to clean their koi pond, NBC News reported. The fish tank solvent that treats aquatic parasites contains the same active ingredient as the drug, but in a different form that can poison people.

“Within thirty minutes of ingestion, the couple experienced immediate effects” that sent them to the emergency room, a Banner Health spokeswoman said in a statement Monday. They felt dizzy and started vomiting. The husband died at the hospital, and the wife is under critical care, according to the statement.

And states across the country are reporting an uptick in poison control calls for people that ingested Ivermectin, almost all from animal drugs, not prescriptions.

>And states across the country are reporting an uptick in poison control calls for people that ingested Ivermectin, almost all from animal drugs, not prescriptions.

You're spreading FUD man. These "upticks" you speak of are, in the case of one state, from 1 instance per year to 9. I guess its statistically a huge uptick, but, lets keep some perspective ey?

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0...

According to the National Poison Data System (NPDS), which collects information from the nation's 55 poison control centers, there was a 245% jump in reported exposure cases from July to August — from 133 to 459.

Ahhh, from the paper linked in your NPR article - 2020 cases = 435, 2021 cases = 1143. It's an even smaller increase than I originally thought - only 163%! Also, looks like 25% were from prescriptions.

What’s the difference between human and horse ivermectin? Dosage.

What you’re actually arguing without knowing is a position the CDC took to keep people from self dosing because the left media pushed the public into a mass panic. People overdosing on any drug, especially during a pandemic, is bad.

Dosage, and probably mixing -- how much do you want to trust that that ingredients are mixed so thoroughly that the little dab that gives you a human dose actually has that dose?

Plus the 98% fillers in horse dewormer of unspecified ingredients.

If you really think you need Ivermectin, get a prescription from a doctor so you'll be getting a known dose and have medical supervision.

Or, you know, just get the vaccine and reduce your risk of a serious case of COVID by 95%+

> Dosage, and probably mixing -- how much do you want to trust that that ingredients are mixed so thoroughly that the little dab that gives you a human dose actually has that dose?

It’s just dosage. Unless you’re getting your horse ivermectin from sketch sources. Who’s going to trust a multiple thousand to multiple millions of dollar animal on questionable ingredients.

> If you really think you need Ivermectin, get a prescription from a doctor so you'll be getting a known dose and have medical supervision.

Hey agreed, so tell your lefty buddies to stop causing mass panic so those without medical insurance or money won’t try treating themselves.

> Or, you know, just get the vaccine and reduce your risk of a serious case of COVID by 95%+

Tell me the long term risks of the vaccine. Also show me some medical credentials since you’re recommending everybody get the vaccine.

It’s just dosage. Unless you’re getting your horse ivermectin from sketch sources. Who’s going to trust a multiple thousand to multiple millions of dollar animal on questionable ingredients.

Since you seem to be expert in this, what human safe ingredients are used in the 98% of this paste that is not Ivermectin?

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/durvet-ivermectin-...

Hey agreed, so tell your lefty buddies to stop causing mass panic so those without medical insurance or money won’t try treating themselves.

It's not the "lefties" that are telling people to use Ivermectin and other questionable remedies -- the lefties are telling them to get the vaccine. The best bet for someone without medical insurance is to get the free vaccine.

Also show me some medical credentials since you’re recommending everybody get the vaccine

That's the great thing about quoting experts, I don't need credentials myself, I can just repeat the same expert advice:

"Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, pleaded Sunday for Americans to set aside politics and get the coronavirus vaccine"

I'd quote his credentials, but I suspect that you already know who he is.

As for long term side effects, I'm willing to bet my own health on "none":

https://www.uab.edu/reporter/resources/be-healthy/item/9544-...

What makes Goepfert think that scientists won’t discover previously unsuspected problems caused by COVID vaccines in the years ahead?

There are several reasons.

    1. Vaccines are eliminated quickly
    2. Vaccine side effects show up within weeks if at all
    3. Our COVID vaccine experience during the past six months

Tractor supply would be a sketch source, try a vet or someone that specializes. And don’t use the paste. In fact don’t do it at all without a physician guiding you. But the fact remains, ivermectin is ivermectin.

> It's not the "lefties" that are telling people to use Ivermectin and other questionable remedies

Read my statement again, the lefties are causing mass panic. You’re doing it now and telling people not to trust a drug.

> Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, pleaded Sunday for Americans to set aside politics and get the coronavirus vaccine

He lost trust the second he lied to control people. Only the left listens to him now.

> As for long term side effects, I'm willing to bet my own health on "none"

Great, but not everybody is so careless with their life. And what you’re saying is you should have control over theirs for something we think may not happen.

Read my statement again, the lefties are causing mass panic. You’re doing it now and telling people not to trust a drug.

I don't know if you'd bothered to read my posts, but I specifically said Horse Dewormer, but then you and others started defending Ivermectin.

But yeah, if you're trying to prevent or cure COVID, don't use Ivermectin, and there's scant evidence that it helps, and if you're worried about long term effects of something, then be worried about the long term effects of COVID.

still those overpriced medicines actually work unlike probably anything that's ever been marketed as a magic weight loss trick.

no one is just making vaccines up for fun then trying to sell them

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