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I own several domains with Epik. I bought them through Epik for no other reason than my friend having an affiliate link. I don't host political content. I don't even know anything about them as a company. I am actually very angry as I type this. I don't care who else they let purchase domains from them, I didn't deserve this. I hope whoever did this is caught and jailed.

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They used md5 as a password hash with no salt. The only ones that deserve jail time is those developers.

If you go into house with no locks and steal something, you should still be liable for your actions.

¿Por qué no los dos?

There are only two parties involved in your analogy: the first-party target and the actor. There are no third-party victims.

(Granted, that doesn't dispute the fact that the actor is still deserving of a lot of that liability. :) )

Exactly.

Better analogy- if I put some items up for sale in a consignment shop, and the shop owner doesn't lock the door overnight and someone runs off with all my stuff, I'm likely to be more upset with the shop owner than the actual thief.

Yea but if your cleaners left the house unlocked they're liable for the damage.

But anyway, I wasn't talking about who's liable, I was simply stating the fact that those developers were criminally negligent.

In the future, do some research into whose service you employ beforehand.

You should not be surprised that you might get in trouble one way or another for employing the services of neo-nazis.

You still have some cleaning to-do on YouTube, since they are still hosting neo-nazi rock band videos on there.

Does that mean everyone deserves to get their YouTube accounts hacked because of some bad videos on someones platform?

I think it's different when a service offers their services to these groups with open arms, v.s. a company like Google who actively tries to take down that kind of content

Big fash, ok, little fash bad. Gotcha.

Yes, Youtube specifically is a big problem.

That allegation is made so often a lot of people just tune it out. How am I supposed to know who's actually a neo nazi and who just annoyed the wrong liar?

That's the goal of disinformation. You don't have to be convinced of the face value of a claim to fall to it you just have to be convinced it's too much work to figure out or too uncertain to call one way or the other. In the case of Epik it's not exactly a mystery "is this one guy a liar" case though. Here are the opening paragraphs of Wikipedia (prior to this hack):

> Epik is an American domain registrar and web hosting company known for providing services to websites that host far-right, neo-Nazi, and other extremist content. It has been described as a haven for the far-right because of its willingness to provide services to far-right websites that have been denied service by other Internet service providers.[1][7]

> Some of Epik's notable clients have included social network Gab, neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer, and the imageboard website 8chan.[8] In 2021, the Parler social network moved its domain registration to Epik when it was denied hosting and other web services after it was used to help plan the 2021 storming of the U.S. Capitol.[9] Epik has also provided hosting and registrar services to Patriots.win, formerly TheDonald.win, an independent far-right forum that has served as the successor for the r/The_Donald subreddit that was banned in June 2020.[10][11][12]"

The rest of the article goes on with details about each of those and more, including many other companies terminating services to Epik as a result. Particularly after the El Paso shooting.

Maybe that is a problem with you, and not with anyone else. If you are uninterested in listening, that is on you.

And then you move to a service that does not accept nazis that gets hacked by nazis and then you end up being harassed...

> You should not be surprised that you might get in trouble one way or another for employing the services of neo-nazis.

Would you say the same if someone poisoned (does not need to be fatal) cokecola bottles for their anti-union policies? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Coca-Cola https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaltrainal_v._Coca-Cola_Co.

Or if IBM employees were doxxed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

Or if github users/employees were doxxed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub#ICE_contract

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