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Microsoft's ad problem is that they damage their existing products to advertise new products that are a lost cause.

There was that "crash your desktop" bug caused by an ad for Teams but longer ago there was OneDrive... DropBox, Box, Google and many others could make file sharing programs that could sync successfully, but somehow Microsoft couldn't.

To add injury to insult they made OneDrive the default way to save files in Microsoft Office, but sometimes a problem with OneDrive would mean YOU COULDN'T SAVE YOUR WORK AT ALL.

If you've had that experience ONCE you are NEVER going to use OneDrive ever.

Then there was that time that OneNote was a pretty good product but Microsoft killed it by inserting at least five icons on and around your desktop (practically up your nose) signalling that it is absolute garbage that they're trying to force up your A*.

Google kills products after the launch, but Microsoft kills them in the process of launch with it's internal advertising.

> To add injury to insult they made OneDrive the default way to save files in Microsoft Office, but sometimes a problem with OneDrive would mean YOU COULDN'T SAVE YOUR WORK AT ALL.

It's worse than that. The change to default OneDrive breaks auto-save everywhere that isn't OneDrive. On the Mac, this includes breaking auto-save on pre-Azure Sharepoint instances and network shares, but some of that works sometimes on Windows. So Office is a worse product even if you never use OneDrive.

Yep and as a Mac user with office your just left wondering why. Why on earth would I use one drive on Mac. One of the many reasons stopped using office on Mac. Rip excel.

OneDrive on Windows is fine now, but oh my gosh OneDrive for Mac is a mess. I didn't use it until my new M1 Mac (so maybe they are re-implementing everything without kernel extensions and it's causing issues), but it absolutely sucks. Every time it starts it can't find the folder, and I have to tell it where it is, then it will say "up-to-date" but nothing will actually have synced, then when it eventually catches up it spews duplicate files everywhere because every other box I have OneDrive on has updated since this computer actually synced. And Office doesn't understand that when I save in the ~/OneDrive folder, it goes into OneDrive, so it won't enable AutoSave or sharing unless you do a Save As and save it to the OneDrive SharePoint site it automatically adds.

It's like OneDrive on Windows 5-6 years ago. I know other people that used it, it worked fine at one point, but now it's terrible.

Google isn't immune to this https://imgur.com/a/vtW67nt

Looks like you have google fonts disabled? They're supposed to be icons, but since they can't be loaded, the text gets shown instead.

Icon fonts like `Material Icons` are a terrible idea for exactly this reason.

They can also confuse search engines (Try a Google search for "keyboard_arrow_up" and scroll down a few results for instance, Bing too if you put it in quotes).

Webmasters should use SVGs or bitmaps with appropriate alt or aria attributes; but it's easier to just load in a font and hope that it loads fast enough to not cause problems / that the user doesn't override it

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