What do Germans fear the most?
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I recently moved to Italy. I was extremely surprised with the contradiction of thought of the average (+50y/o) Italian.
Newborns in Europe are in a decline (specially in rich countries like Germany) while life expectancy is on the rise (old people live longer). How are you supposed to fund that? There are less young people working and creating value for the society and you have more old people to feed, cure and maintain. In this scheme, the only "solution" that the state has is to raise taxes.
Refugees (and african/muslim) migration seem to be a good "solution" to this. There are a lot of africans coming for work, generally very hardworking people. They will create value, consume and pay taxes and eventually complement the lowest-layers of the demographic pyramid (young active people).
Yet, the average Italian (specially +50) is extremely racist. They want them out of their country. I've met some africans and they're all great people. YES, they are different (culturally) and they have a hard time learning the language, but that doesn't mean they can't integrate into society.
Anyways, I'm surprised by the contradiction. They want to pay lower taxes (who doesn't, right?), but they don't want to accept younger people to work. baffled
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EDIT: I'm speaking about MY experience in Italy. I've heard Germany is a lot friendlier with immigrants and it's one of the least racists countries. STILL, the "refugees" fear is N4 in that survey.
A human can do a job a robot is incapable of doing.
It's a tough topic for sure. I've heard that German people are a lot better with immigrants and racism is very low.
The wikipedia article is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany
That's a problem which could be resolved: companies do replace people by robots to reduce labor costs. But companies (owners, shareholders, etc) still want to profit from all kinds of common infrastructure. So force them (with law and regulations) to continue to share a part of the saved expenses, e.g. by continuing to pay social expenses for their robots. That way they'd still save money by automation, but would do this in some socially responsible ways.
Companies that are forced to pay a robot tax are uncompetitive and will be forced out of the market.
End result: no tax revenue.
Companies that operate in an industry that can be or is likely to be automated will hire less or no people so as to not be liable for the robot tax should they at a later date start automating.
End result: less employment, less tax revenue and stunted growth.
A robot tax will result in more bullshit jobs. Jobs that can be done by automation should be done by machines. Human labor should be reserved for jobs that cannot be automated.
Your suggestion is akin to a populist policy that treats symptoms rather than root causes, trading good optics and a short term gain for unintended consequences and long term pain.
Why? Because the person who bought the lawn mower started saving the money he would usually spend on a gardener. It simply means saving is too profitable.
In short, the capital requirements generally go up with automation in the economic benefit is more often abroad (whether that's Germany or China)
This completely ignores many migrant workers sending money home.
The same exact thing happens in Korea, Japan, China, Eastern Europe, Norway, and pretty much any other country that isn’t explicitly built on the idea of immigration and assimilation.
Taking large waves of refugees with no filtering will gurantee that the honest working ones will suffer by association with the bad ones.
Edit: Huge numbers of desperate refugees will also accept pay and working conditions that put local workers out of options.
Immigration is not a good thing just like it's not a bad thing. The devil is always is the details.
Probably good to actually give any sort of evidence for your frankly outrageous claim, otherwise it just looks like you too are incredibly racist.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/prom...
> Murder/Manslaughter Germans: 1,587 Non-Germans: 1,085 (420 refugees)
> Assault Germans: 84,776 Non-Germans: 52,412 (18,094 refugees)
> Robbery Germans: 15,435 Non-Germans: 10,378 (3,739 refugees)
> Rape Germans: 5,370 Non-Germans: 3,110 (1,155 refugees)
Source: https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Publikationen/Pol...
Now go ahead and put these numbers into context regarding each group's percentage in the population. And be sure to remember, that there are millions of people with migration background who count as germans because they have a german passport.
Personally I have no problem with migration of skilled people or temporary asylum for war refugees: black, brown, white, muslim, hindu, christian, whatever, I don't care. But one has to keep the bad ones out in the long term. Germany and many other western european countries failed to do that for whatever reason. And now their prisons are full of people with migration background.
So, I don't know what you're up to.
Then why do robberies happen at all, including by members of the native German population?
Edit: I made the mistake of engaging with your post, where actually it would have been more constructive to point out that you have moved the goalpost: The claim was that refugees are criminals mostly. You have not proven this, you've just proven that some of them commit crime when they are in a new country. That doesn't mean they emigrated as criminals.
I translate "significant" to "meaningful", "noteable" (relative to something) in this context... Not a native speaker though, maybe I'm wrong? If I'm wrong, you are right. But it would be so obviously false anyway, wouldn't it? Only an idiot would claim that let's say 50% of refugees are criminals.
Your broader point, that sometimes immigrants fall into criminal traps, is one that is relevant and interesting. It's important to figure out why this happens and how it can be mitigated, because immigration is forever. You want your social structure and systems to be such that no-one feels like the only way they have to have a reasonable life is to be a criminal.
Now coming back to your comment. Firstly it is not about racism, we are Caucasian. Secondly we are discriminated abroad and while it is unfortunate for me whenever I travel or work I completely understand it. Our criminals did a lot of harm. That is why I said a filter would have been better for them and us also.
[0] https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article233732426/Ver...
Everybody is opposed to indiscriminate immigration, whatever that’s supposed to mean, otherwise we wouldn’t even have passports. The debate on immigration in the West is about foreign nationals living peacefully and contributing to the society of the country they moved to. There’s no debate about rapists crossing borders illegally, because nobody wants them and because they are a minuscule fraction of the population.
In other words, fear of going from 40-45% is greater than hope for going from 40-35%.
if you're an EU citizen you can move to germany and work there. this creates high incentives for workers from poorer eastern european countries to work in germany but send a huge chunk back to their family. some industries would not exists without this model, most notorious asparagus harvesting or private nursing services.
Germany accepted millions of migrants since 2015, but it's highly doubtful that this will be a net positive within the next century. Most of them are unskilled and only granted asylum which is temporary and by german law asylum seekers or migrants with temporary resident status are heavily restricted from taking up work. I guess the argument once was, why allow them to work if they will be deported anyway soon. But usually this is a long legal process leaving them in a limbo state for years. There are special programs however to train them to be nurses to obtain permanent residency. But it is unlikely that then german refugee policy from ~2015 will be a net benefit for social security etc.
You can see similar developments in the UK (triple lock, Brexit, NI increases, ecc…), even though not as pathological, probably because its economic system is healthier than the Italian.
Italy would need millions of immigrants not much to pay pensions, but to reinvigorate the national debate and economy. Maybe if there were enough under-40s, pensions could be reduced and that money could be spent in more productive endeavours.
Extend the retirement age, raise taxes, offer less public services. Of course people won't vote for any of those so you are correct, there is a lot of cognitive dissonance going on.
The cost of immigration, especially from outside of the EU, is catastrophically high, and remains that way, even for 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. A paper studied the cost of immigration in the Netherlands to be around 400 billion euros between 1995 and 2019 (I can only find the paper in Dutch from the Renaissance institute, performed by several PhD / processors). The people arriving here from outside of the EU are often unskilled, in certain cases illiterate, and come from a cultural and religious background which proves to be nearly impossible to integrate, let alone assimilate.
As a result, in Brussels and many cities all around western Europe, it's riddled with ghettos, people living outside of the system, in poverty, with ideas that aren't compatible with our society (about topics such as religion, rule of law, sexuality, equality and so on). In my own neighborhood there are parts where as a woman you can't walk the street without a headscarf or you'll be harassed. And I'm not even suggesting what happens if you're openly gay in said streets.
Even multiple generations down the line the situation doesn't improve.
Why, in countries that are supposedly democratic, should mass immigration be the one thing that is shoved down our throats, without having any influence or say in it?
Side note: Belgium has a very flexible and generous social security system. We are known for providing unemployment benefits without any limit in duration, and with too little stimulus and followup, resulting in a lot of people simply exploiting the system. This is why immigration and the access to said system is a sensitive topic. We are also famous for having bungled the topic of integration for decades, resulting in people having lived here for ages and still not even speak the local language.
https://www.economist.com/the-world-if/2017/07/13/a-world-of...
https://www.cgdev.org/blog/what-mariel-boatlift-cuban-refuge...
Of course take things with a grain of salt, as always, but it's quite a hefty and well documented piece of research.
The “Renaissance institute” that sponsored this “research” is a far-right think tank associated with the FvD, which can be charitably described as far right nationalists, or less charitably as a bunch of actual racists and fascists.
Ah yes, the ability to win a pointless money war with other nations lets us sleep soundly at night. We let other nations finance our government spending and then complain that they are the reckless ones.
Let's say globalization is dead and countries no longer trade with each other. If Germany wants to do an investment that has a future benefit it has to spend money today. When the government goes into debt it simply promises to pay later. By going into debt it has the ability to obtain future benefits.
The opposite position is also true. A government that does not go into debt has no ability to obtain future benefits. When you consider that a growing economy needs growing infrastructure investments by the public government then what the government is doing is simply slowing down the private sector for the sake of bean counting.
Fearing debt while simultaneously saving money is absurd. Money is debt, holding onto money keeps others in debt. The insistence that saving is morally good is simply wrong. It's just an investment like any other. The risk isn't gone, it's merely being managed for you. The fact that governments insure deposits is a huge distortion.
These days is all about the next hard-to-grasp concept that has little chance of ever actually happening (like the earth literally catching fire because of 2 or even 10 degrees celsius of rising temperatures, something even otherwise sane people do bring up from time to time.)
Political parties and the interests they represent remain the same. Also, Germany is a democracy. So “idiots” reflect the population.
That's what I fear the most.
The problem - unfortunately - is that German politics and parties disproportionally cater to the older generations. They vote at a much higher percentage, so it's opportune for the parties to tailor their offerings to them. This in turn disenfranchises younger voters which thus turn up in lower numbers to vote thus giving even more weight to the elderly vote and so on.
As a result we're stuck with an ever growing pension system, little appetite for innovation and three potential candidates that couldn't be any less inspiring, but are just non-threatening enough to be acceptable by the post-war generations...
It was apparent by 1960 that Germany had actually won WW2, their economic victory had defeated and humiliated the ancient enemies of France and Poland. But like a man who wins the euro lottery the whole village wants it's share.