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This article completely misses context behind the name Indra for a group attacking Iran.

In Vedic Hindu texts, and in Zoroastrian texts, a great battle among Devas[1] and Asuras (Ahuras)[2] is described. In the Vedic Hindu version, the Devas won, but for some reason decided to emigrate to India. In the Zoroastrian version, the Asuras won and kicked the Devas out of Persia.

Indra was the king of the Devas. The word Deva eventually came to mean God in Sanskrit and Indra became the King of gods and God of thunder and rain.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra#Origins [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahura_Mazda

The "migration" to India theory has been generally refuted .. it's origins trace back to the English colonizers inventing history to justify their rule.

They will keep shoveling Miller’s and other Indologists outdated supremacist ideas until Indians meekly submit and accept it.

There’s no reasoning with supremacists.

Muller*

You're not wrong, but that's got literally nothing at all to do with this.

you should look into population genetics. pretty weird that the same y chromosomal lineages showed up all over eurasia at the same time :o)

Give me a specific reference of genetic proof of the 'aryan invasion'. And put a rough date on it. Thanks!

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aat7487

just the paper i read most recently -- the genetic and linguistic evidence for this theory is so overwhelming that the world laughs at you for believing otherwise. it is obviously too tied up with nationalist mythology and sentiment for you to analyze with a clear mind.

This is the exact type of propaganda "papers" without any evidence that the colonial types produce.

There is no distinction between the "aryan invaders" and the native harrappan peoples: https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2019/09/06/new-study-debun...

Sure, some tribes may have migrated. But these tribes were not the "white civilizers" of the "dark natives" as the European colonizers wanted to promote.

Too bad much of Indology is still persisting with the direction set by the English and Germans in the late 1800s.

Aryan migration is a well accepted and genetically supported theory. Would love to hear more on its refutation.

https://scroll.in/article/936872/two-new-genetic-studies-uph...

Interesting! I was familiar with the “deevs”/“daeva” (دیو) from the Shahnameh, but not the Vedic Hindu side of this. Thanks for sharing.

It's strange that the screen shown by attackers is in Arabic and not Farsi. This would be something like hacking computers in the US and having the screen show the message in French, but even less intelligible.

Even weirder that the hackers chose a Hindu god as their mascot. If they chose it as a reference to the indo-iranian split that took place 3500 years ago, the reference is sort of misplaced as the recent conflicts in the region have to do with the Gulf states and the West, not with Hinduism.

It's infuriating - use your own religious imagery to represent your politics, not someone else's. But hey, it wouldn't be the first time a Hindu symbol was co-opted by a political group that has nothing to do with the religion.

Is it Arabic? They have a shared script

It is Arabic. The lead lines are "'anaa indraa", which is Arabic for "I am Indra". In Farsi it would be "man indra hastam"

The scripts are related but Farsi has extra letters for sounds not present in Arabic, and it has a totally different and unrelated grammar.

It is Arabic. They have a shared script (mostly) but that’s like saying French, Italian, and English are mutually intelligible because they share the Latin script.

Odd that the article doesn't mention the most likely source and implies it's likely not a nation state.. as if Indra isn't just a cover.

Israel? US? The arabic script is most likely a false lead imo

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