"...and private spaces, it becomes natural to leverage its ubiquitousness ..."
Are these researchers soley focused on their next grant only, do they live in another world? Or do they sometimes pause and think about the ethics of their research?
"...and private spaces, it becomes natural to leverage its ubiquitousness ..."
Are these researchers soley focused on their next grant only, do they live in another world? Or do they sometimes pause and think about the ethics of their research?
Better to have this in the public eye, than to be too scared to carry out the research in fear of others abusing it. because whether the research is done publicly or not, the "bad guys" are probably doing it in private.
Now, big tech companies putting it everywhere, and either convincing the stores I shop at or my neighbors to pay for the hardware and slurping up the data - that is a real danger case. And those companies build off academic research like this. Even trillion-dollar companies don't do as much of this research inhouse as they do by sponsoring grants like this.
It’s much easier and cheaper to just record what shelve/height/area products are placed in and reconcile that data with sales. The data will be more noisy, but you can capture so much more valuable information for the same investment. You can also usually apply the models in retrospect, since most larger chains already record where products are supposed to be.
Cameras are really only used at corporate test stores in small numbers. Camera data is usually looked at manually and only focuses on a specific product or area.
I've worked on systems designed to send in-store customers custom, extremely time limited (< 1 hour) coupons based on where they are in the store and where they linger. Linger time being used as an indicator of purchase intent for a specific item. This does require that the customer has the store's app installed and running.
Nation states worry me precisely because I'm uninteresting. They wouldn't deploy hardware against me, but I'm under no illusion that they wouldn't use every mass-surveillance option available to them, including mass exploitation of commodity hardware.
I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your post.
I can't tell if you mean that most nation state espionage resources are spent keeping a watchful eye on the U.S. since they see the U.S. as aggressive and dangerous, or you mean that literally American citizens are aggressive and dangerous (i.e. perhaps due to prevalence of firearms with non-conformist, anti-government, anti-authority views), that the U.S. spends much of its own resources spying on its own citizens?
I’d hate for my town counsel to spy on me simply because they can with off the shelf hardware, that the military developed and deemed obsolete 10 years ago.
Yes, they are. Anyone who is saying otherwise is either gaslighting you or speaks out of their ass. The way science is funded right now is incredibly broken. This is admitted both by people who worked in research during 60s-70s (when funding worked differently) and by honest people who worked in modern academia.
Alan Kay speaks about this often:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdHtYW_wcAs
Dark Horse podcast spoke at length about the current system:
https://odysee.com/@DarkHorsePodcastClips:b/corruption-in-sc...
However I've been thinking the same thing for many years, that much of the CS research seems aimed at spying on people. Companies that will be hiring those grad students may also be partly to blame by hiring students who do such research, probably because it fits with their own corporate data collection and analysis practices on their customers. Grad students want jobs after they graduate, and developing spy stuff gets them jobs. The military -wants- spy stuff so they encourage this kind of research.
So the solution seems to be to somehow get more awareness of potential misuse factored into paper reviews, encourage more research on mitigating misuse of new technologies, and getting more women into CS. Unfortunately women seem to be leaving or not choosing CS more and more lately. Some women may like spy stuff too even though it has historically been more of a male thing, probably due to the military. I'm not sure there is anywhere yet that you could publish research into mitigating misuse of new technology (except privacy research journals). Sometimes there are solutions for classes of sensors, like cameras or microphones. For example, f you have an interesting application based on cameras but recording video would be very privacy sensitive you might be able to only output the processed result and throw away the video data, and a commercial version could be a chip that does exactly that, making misuse of the video impossible.
The genie is somewhat out of the bottle already, because existing access points can track the position of wifi devices and deduce a lot of this information. This takes it one step further to also track people without wifi devices.
Very much so. As early as 2012, maybe 2013, retailers were piloting technology that would offer guest wifi networks, then track you using the in-store surveillance cameras. Don't even need facial recognition, just tie the person's identity to the phone they logged in with. The camera adds better location data than you could get with the wifi alone.
This was about the time that Amazon was offering a Black Friday discount if you used their app to scan the barcode of a product in a retail store, then bought online — and back then, only checkout was https, so if you were in the data path you could detect that sort of a lookup.
Should we not do any third party security testing or vulnerability detection either?
Ignorance is not a solution to a potential problem but simply means you won't know about it until it's far too late.
A very large proportion of physics, chemistry and engineering is funded by defense interests. Academic scientists span a large range of politics, from peace-loving hippies to pro military hawks. Many scientists just run on a heavy justification treadmill ("if it's not our group, it would be another one" and "this tech is not yet ready for deployment anyway" and "we'd be doing this work anyway, so it doesn't matter if we spin it as defense related").
Frankly, ethics is not really a strong point for physical scientists and is kinda selected against by the hiring system. Being able to take DoD money and sleep at night helps a lot to get tenure.
I recall the first time I read about using a laser to image the contents of a room. It was old-fashioned military technology when I read about it then - the 1980s.
Obviously they don't
But what's the alternative? Someone else would do it anyway and use it against you.