Should you delete social media? That’s the wrong question.
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Otherwise it sucks. You can’t discuss anything without some rando friend of friends friend butting in with some sort of nonsense. It’s like going to the middle school dance… everyone lurks except for a minority who like to disrupt or like attention.
It seems that people in my circles just don’t use anything any more, at least that I can see. Most who aren’t really techy or political have abandoned or never adopted Twitter. Facebook gets a few photos of first days of school and vacation. Instagram gets the same but more of it, and occasional food pics.
But it seems that most actual communications isn’t public anymore. It’s all silo’d off into various instant message groups, mostly just over text message. Perhaps it’s just aging out, and not sharing as much or people feeling like their life experiences aren’t worth sharing to broader audiences. Whatever the cause, my Internet experience used to be so much about connecting and communicating with people (almost all of which I knew in person), and these days it’s just a much quieter place.
Though I’ll admit that could just be middle age bias. A lot of priorities change for a lot of people and your 30s can be a slog with the combination of young kids and aging parents.
I know my grandparents used to send a Christmas letter to all their friends and family updating everyone on their life for the previous year, births and deaths, victories and defeats, interesting travels, etc. I’d love to see similar things from the people who I still very much care about even if I don’t get to see them in person much these days.
As for your grandparents things, dont worry, when you ll worry abt being irrelevant, you'll send the postcards too :)
We use Signal and text messaging almost exclusively.
Maybe as we get older, we realize that whatever it was we were doing on social media, it wasn't actually connecting with people. Whatever these companies' mission statements say about "building community" and "bringing the world closer together" and "connecting people," it's not actually what their products are doing, and people are finally wising up and realizing this.
I haven't been on social media for probably a decade. I'm no less "connected" to my family or community or events than someone who is on it. It's not really doing what they claim it's doing.
Before social media you’d sign up to forums and talk to people with similar interests. The smaller communities and purposeful writing was much better. Now it’s just a cesspool of ads and spammers. These platforms are still useful if you highly limit your usage.
I find the best way to use facebook is to join the useful community groups but otherwise do nothing of consequence. Maybe you post a holiday shot of a landscape so your friends in other countries know you’re alive. Otherwise simply don’t engage and sandbox Facebook.
Twitter is fine if you use it more like a news feed. Follow John Carmack or other people with interesting things to say. Again, don’t engage with the platform. It best when smart people send out ideas.
I guess the next space to watch out for is teleconferencing. How long can they provide a free service for personal use?
Then they began to be corrupted by the insatiable search for ever-growing revenue.
I personally think sites like HN and Reddit are better forms of social media because they don't necessarily try to replace the contact you should have with friends and family. If I interacted with friends on Facebook, I felt like I'd already done enough with/for them, and left it at that. Without it, I make more of an effort to stay in touch. But at least on HN, this isn't a replacement for my friend circle, it's just more of an interest group that provides some interesting reading and conversations.
They may not aim to replace those interactions but they definately eat in to what would otherwise be friend or family time for a lot of people. I personally find reddit too negative for my taste but HN strikes a good balance, on the whole I would probably be better off if i limited my time here.
It's true that you will lose a lot of connections, but you will manage to stay in touch with the people that matter.
Who am I? Who are you? We don't know. There are no friends, connections, or personal details shared. Interactions are fleeting and temporary.
I like Clay Shirky's definition of social media, (something like) a website where the users create the content, where the thing wouldn't exist in the same way without the users. But the definition of the word doesn't really matter, I guess. I'm just not sure why not having friends here makes it "ok", and why if you made friends here you'd have to quit because of your policy/your identity as "someone who quit social media years ago".
The vast majority of the negative psychological triggers, for example, associated with a platform like Facebook, are missing from HN.
> I think everyone can agree there is a dramatic difference between a website like Facebook and a website like HN
No we cannot all agree on that! For one I completely disagree. Also I 100% consider HN social media. It checks all the boxes the way I see it.
It's much easier for me to forget the people here on HN, there's no "follow", there's not pictures, there's just ad hoc comments with random people.
I don't build a relationship with people here. I just read text.
On here, it's all-too-frequent crazy/nasty/snarky/jerk comments. Yes, negative psychological triggers is a good way of putting it! Like the other day[0] I found the people from the US claiming Australians wouldn't have to put up with the lockdown if we only had guns, really disturbing. Then yesterday, the guy who's surprised when people move to Australia, because the people there are ok with censorship[1]. When I discovered !!Con after being on HN a lot it was like "OMG, there are places where programmers congregate and it's actually fun, joyous, positive and supportive!" haha.
[0] For reference. Actually reading all these comments is not recommended. What a shitfight. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28451066
A “friend” is different, because it creates and incentive for the platform to do something about that graph connection. I don’t HN cares at all whether we’ve ever been associated with each other.
I left Twitter and LinkedIn this year which were my main vices. Probably 70k reasonably organic connections down the drain.
However, I feel much happier and relaxed and have better relationships online and offline with a smaller group of people.
Would definetly recommend binning social media. It’s a toxic time sink.
I don’t think anyone should use large social media platforms unless they rigorously curate their feeds, and limit their interaction to positive sum games.
Twitter is best used as a content aggregator where you follow a few elite accounts and consume their wisdom. Don’t get dragged into tribal fights over politics or darwinian fitness signaling.
It’s monkey games all the way down but we have the freedom not to play them.
But social media is different. It's a reality show in which you re the unpaid actor, a replaceable lab rat. If you feel that, living your whole life oblivious under a painted dome (like in the Truman Show) by getting rewarded with likes is an OK life, then maybe you should grow up. In the end, Truman chose to get out.
As always on the internet, after the initial panspermia came a period of severe winner-take-all consolidation into monoculture. I m not sure if it would be different in an alternate timeline where the ad money was going to media companies.
Maybe I replaced it with something that is not an addiction?
Your phrase might sound nice but it's not necessarily true.
Not true. Some things are habit forming, like cigarettes or really fun books or games. The same is true for social media. All addictions must start at some point.
Imagine that you are compelled to solve problems, and that you loathe interacting with other human beings, and that you occasionally are lonely. That's why we have hermits, and that's why towns put up their hermits in a house about a mile away. You put them far enough away that they can't hear you enjoying yourself, but close enough so that you can bring them serious problems
Which problems are serious? The ones that give everyone else nightmares trying to even think about — or at least are worth a 2 mile round trip walk and a picnic basket full of delicious food.
Even grumpy old hermits get lonely for human company and variety in food sometimes. They just resent showing it because everyone will make a loud racket and give them hugs and eugh it's just the worst.
Social media, the Internet, BBSes, these all allow satisfying the instinct for human connection without the awfulness of dealing with actual real people very much of the time. Finding a way to make that satisfying and net valuable to you and/or others is the hard work. It doesn't necessarily require giving it up, but it absolutely does require being honest with yourself about whether you're getting a payoff that's worth the price.
America, and especially its behaviorally addicted youth, are losing hours per day and hundreds of years of their lives to this crap. And it's not as easy as just saying "I learned to love the difficulty of connecting offline." I don't believe that.
What we need is a modern version of AA to march people through the 12 steps towards a dopamine landscape that is less stimulating.
I’m barely on any “social” websites other than HN. Getting off Twitter was great. But almost all my friends are on Telegram. They are all over the world and many I’ve known for years. The heat death of the universe is going to happen sooner than me giving up instant messaging.
I feel like some of these articles need context or the author has completely different circumstances than I do.
Put a capital L in Living.
Who needs social media?
Who needs social interaction, you should rather be asking.
Chrome Yellow, Aldous Huxley
I see at least 9 of them as shared.
What are the alternative to replace "screens"?
Books (ink on paper)?
Out and about, preferably in nature?
Meditation?
Writing?
Gym?
In the very early stages of social media, say the era of blogs, MySpace, and forums like these, there were no smartphones.
People would live their normal lives during the day, and perhaps reserve an hour or so of "computer time". Where they physically sit behind a desktop with a keyboard. So for some 90% of the day, they were not distracted by anything, and during computer time, they would find themselves using a device very suitable for deep engagement. On a desktop, it's easy enough to read deep content and to respond at length.
With the arrival of smartphones, social media are with you 100% of the time. It may interfere with your important time (your work, your sleep), but if not that, at the very least it will suck up any spare moment that you used to spent on just being bored or waiting for something.
And as we know, this still is only the basic consequence. It may affect one's relationships, distort their politics, cause depression, and replace healthy physical activities, as the article mentions.
Besides the smartphone intruding on your life non-stop, there's the issue that smartphones really suck. They are poor reading devices and even worse engagement devices.
So content has to be snack-sized. A tweet. A 6 second video. Preferably vertical, to save me from the massive effort of turning my phone. And auto-play, as I don't want to hit next or scroll. This trend of escalating effortless consumption turns into disturbing deficiencies in people. Not being able to focus on anything for any stretch of time.
As an engagement device, it has to be simple too. A like, a heart, and a one-line comment at best, full of typos. Because you can't really type well on a smartphone. So deep engagement is dead, replaced with status (likes, retweets).
This combination of effects (100% with you, snack-size content, poor engagement) can all be attributed to the smartphone specifically, in combination with social media. Not social media in itself.
There was an interesting experiment when I took my niece (18 yo) on a 3 week trip through a tropical nation with basically no connectivity at all. She's the stereotypical ultra addict, glued to her phone all day. Interestingly, not a single sign of withdrawal when offline. She was fine, happy, fully engaged in the real world activities, and not a single complaint.
But then, wherever we would return to a place with a gateway to the online world, all hope was lost again. We don't exist. The country does not exist. Dinner is a distraction. Nothing exists but the phone.
Of course I wondered what was it that she missed, that takes hours to catch up with? Actually, I didn't have to wonder as she explained it by pushing her phone in my face about 30 times per hour.
To show what? A meme. A funny video. Not even good ones, just pure low effort pulp garbage.
My friend is an entrepreneur, running some e-commerce warehouses. He stopped hiring young people. They take 30 minute dumps, 3 times a day. He's made clear policies regarding excessive smartphone usage and still finds them hiding behind shelves on their phones.
It's an epidemic.
The smartphone will invent ways to disrupt you all day. Even if there were no social media, it would be a video game, a stock trading app, whichever. It's a brand new capability to be able to reach all people all day, and it will be used.
Oddly poignant.
No thanks.