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The best way to load a dishwasher is to get a Miele. (At least the US models, I can't speak for other countries.)

For Reasons, I've dealt with six dishwashers over the last decade. This one actually works. Anything that goes in and isn't ludicrously dirty or positioned just gets clean. It's wonderful not caring about top rack vs bottom rack or prewash or starting the hot water early or....

It just gets dishes clean.

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I ended up getting a Miele machine because it was the only relatively accessible dishwasher with a water softening system.

Our town water is very hard, and all my previous dishwashers struggled with this, delivering dishes with ugly milk white streaks and residue no matter what we did. Water softening solved all the issues (I know because even the Miele washer has problems without the salt needed for the water softener to function).

That it's a very nice and well-built washer is an additional cherry on top.

I had a Miele once but it didn't last. A Bosch was half the price, did as well, was silent, and lasted many years. Don't understand the cult of Miele considering the high price. On the other hand I have a Miele vacuum that is 25 years old and works perfectly, so maybe it was just bad luck. But Miele vacuum cleaners don't cost $4000.

Two of those six dishwashers were Boschs. The Miele is far better at cleaning. (Though, admittedly, I don't think either Bosch was top-of-the-line. Their best models might be much better than their midrange.)

And if a Miele dishwasher actually cost $4000, I'd probably have a Bosch today.

Miele and Maytag are the only brands I’ve seen that both consistently work and last for many many years.

Ditto for Maytag laundry machines. Those things are tanks.

Having had the (unfortunate) opportunity to personally compare the Miele to the top-of-the-line-in-2014 Maytag back-to-back, the Miele is a different animal.

Maytag does not build them like they used to.

>Maytag does not build them like they used to.

that has been my experience across their entire lineup since the early 2000s.

some of their industrial style earlier stuff is fantastic, it's a shame they couldn't keep up with those standards.

Maytag is Whirlpoop now iirc

My Maytag dryer is around 37 years old (older than I am!) and works great.

So when I read articles claiming dryers have a life of around a decade I can't help but laugh.

I can also a recommend a 20-year-old Neff.

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