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It seems like podman machine is deprecated: https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/replace-docker-podman-macos

Podman-machine was an external project that was derived from minishift and some of the images I made to allow fedora and Podman to be used. This worked, but was mostly a one man project by a community member

We have worked with the container team to introduce an actual solution, that also will hopefully soon introduce a new network stack. This we have been testing in CRC for some time.

Note: team lead on CRC, previously minisbift. Work closely with the container team. Red Hat employee

There’s so much container innovation going on that I get dizzy just by hearing about it. Lots of interesting projects popping up all over the map.

Then you will be glad to hear that I was planning to continue the podman-machine project, but under a different name... https://boot2podman.github.io/2021/01/24/reboot-new-project....

Was or are? Looks interesting, especially the runs from RAM aspect.

It's a "work in progress", basically an updated version of the old projects that serve like a proof-of-concept if you can tolerate the old versions (docker 19.03 and podman 1.9.3) The runs from RAM is an integral part of the project, the new version will have better packaging - using squashfs mounts rather than copying them over to tmpfs like the old one did.

This is from the guy that leads the container team at Redhat:

https://twitter.com/rhatdan/status/1433003250991706114?s=21

Your comment gave me the impression that Daniel Walsh made some refutation against that podman-machine is being deprecated, but the Tweet you link to say no such thing, unless it's hidden in some sub-tweet (Twitters UX is horrible to discover things).

Going straight to the source (https://github.com/boot2podman/machine), it says the following:

> DEPRECATED (with huge letters)

> Podman Machine is now deprecated. Users should try using Vagrant instead.

So one can safely assume that podman-machine is in fact getting deprecated.

What you linked to is podman-machine. podman machine is not the same. The former was probably deprecated because podman machine is now part of podman itself.

https://github.com/containers/podman/tree/main/cmd/podman/ma...

I'm not sure if it was you that downvoted me, but you are mistaken.

boot2podman/machine, what you linked, is not an official part of podman. It is a third party equivalent and not relevant. The official podman repository is https://github.com/containers/podman, and the machine bits are integrated and part of podman proper:

https://github.com/containers/podman/tree/main/cmd/podman/ma...

If it was you that downvoted my comment, please consider not doing that because you disagree. The comment was factually correct and made in good faith. You're equating a third party deprecated podman-machine with the integrated into upstream podman machine. We were not referring to the same thing whatsoever.

Hopefully this makes more sense to you now.

Thanks for clarifying! My mistake in confusing the two, hopefully one can understand how another can make the mistake though as one is named "podman machine" and the other "podman machine".

My main issue with your comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28391265) still stands, you're linking a third-party source with the impression that that source said it's in fact not being deprecated, when there is no such text in that source.

I did not downvote you, but I can absolutely understand why someone would do that, since the tweet seemingly has nothing to do with the comment your original comment was replying to.

For what it's worth, complaining about downvotes is almost never worth it. Makes for boring reading and the people downvoting you won't read it anyways.

It's also in the documentation https://podman.io/getting-started/installation

next your going to be complaining that its too easy to confuse docker-compose with docker compose :P

I added some clarification (hopefully) to the README, it gets a bit confusing when terms like "Machine" and "CoreOS" get reused

> since the tweet seemingly has nothing to do with the comment your original comment was replying to

Saying the lead developer is recommending using machine right after someone claims it’s deprecated seems relevant?

The comments were regarding two different projects, one is deprecated (old podman-machine) one is not (new podman machine)

I'm saying the source is saying this is what to use, which was confirmed by reading the source and seeing the "deprecated" version was not even related to the project whatsoever.

Dan is the guy that has been with the docker project through the redhat fork and to the creation of podman from the very beginning. If he says podman machine is what to use, it is not deprecated. Have you ever listened to Dan speak? He's very pragmatic about these things.

Being one of the authoritative decision makers, if he says to use it, it is not deprecated. A literal 1 minute perusal of the podman upstream source confirmed.

Boot2podman was a derived project from minishift and machine drivers. Was not maintained by the container team... but a community member.

Podman machine as mentioned is a new integrated solution.

I will "unlock" the deprecated boot2podman projects and add some more text about it to the README.

podman-machine was a project disconnected from Podman. The podman project recently added a new command to podman `machine`.

The `podman machine` command downloads and runs VMs with the podman service enabled within them. It also configures the native podman to use ssh to connect to the podman within the VM to allow the allusion of native podman support on the host. This is the exact same thing that Docker desktop does.

We will contact the podman-machine developers to update their website to point out that `podman machine` is the way to go, to get a VM running podman on your host system.

This is what the the podman-machine github says under the DEPRECATED section:

` DEPRECATED:

Podman v3.3 now has a podman machine included, different from podman-machine

This is a new feature based on QEMU and CoreOS, unlike the old one (described here) which is based on Docker Machine and Boot2Docker, as was available in Docker Toolbox... `

I updated the README based on feedback from here...

Once there is any documentation or blog post for the new podman machine feature, I will link directly to it

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