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Comment by nextparadigms | Hacker News Reader

Nowadays they're using child pornography as an excuse to verify or monitor just about everything. But there's always a hidden agenda behind it. Plus, I'm sure the music and movie labels gave their full support for this one, because they truly care about child porn - oh, and that other little detail that they can more easily use this law to catch "copyright infringers" later on.

EDIT: And I really think they're "boiling the frog" here. They steadily take away our rights to privacy so there are only a few people mad about it at a time, until they have full control.

But we need to step back a little and think about what they're really doing. They're trying to have full access to everything you're doing online, while the Internet is becoming more and more our main communication method. Then how is this much different from communism where the Government wants to monitor the whole population - "so there are no crimes or anything". It's a very slippery slope, and it has started a while ago. Take a step back and look at everything: Patriot Act, TSA, and now this and other similar laws. What's the end-goal here? 100% complete security - therefore no liberties?

Child pornography is one of those bugbears -- much like terrorism -- that is so theoretically abhorrent to a lot of people that anyone trying to push legislation or regulation through the system can summon its specter for an instant veneer of credibility and legitimacy.

"If you don't support X, then you're leaving people vulnerable to Y!" has long been a cheap scare tactic trotted out in service of agendas on all sides of all aisles, pretty much since the dawn of time.

I hate that tactic in general, and I hate it here specifically. Not just because it's intellectually dishonest, but because it cheapens the actual victims of child pornography and exploitation -- using them as little more than rhetorical chess pieces.

In the UK, BT (The biggest ISP) introduced CleanFeed[0] and "strongly encouraged" (read forced) to be used by the government. It was claimed that it would only ever be used for blocking child sexual abuse imagery.

Recently a judge has ruled that BT must use the same system to block a website used to share links. [1]

The list of blacklist sites itself can only be edited by a small group (iirc 4 people) of unelected and unaccountable people at the IWF[2]

Cleanfeed is also pretty flawed, doesn't work with HTTPS, can be interrogated to get a list of blocked content (using TTLs) and misleadingly returns 404 for blocked content.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleanfeed_%28content_blocking_s... [1] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/british-tele... [2] http://www.iwf.org.uk/ [3] http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/cleanfeed.pdf

Not only that, but it makes requests for non-blocked pages on the target server look like they're coming from a small group of proxies (I guess just one in practice). This plays havoc with other assumptions around load balancing and anti-abuse that don't assume entire countries are funneled through single proxies.

In Finland the government encourages the ISP's to filter a list of sites. The list is secret and managed by the police to filter out child porn. One of the sites included in that list is a site which is criticizing the filtering.

http://lapsiporno.info/english-2008-02-15.html

Frogs get a bad rap. If you put them in a pan and turn it up, they jump out. Perhaps we should acknowledge this is a widespread human trait, rather than casually slandering amphibians!

This isn't boiling the frog. This is eating the cooked corpse.

I really dont want the government to have knowledge of my preference for midget donkey porn. That is my business, not theirs.

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