https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavi...
I will leave the reasons that our public health establishment might want measurement of natural immunity focused on a narrow and rapidly-decaying metric as an exercise for the reader.
So nobody who caught it on a train or in an office could confirm if they needed to quarantine, which actually happened.
If that person was later admitted to a hospital, it was game over for that hospital and any elderly people sent back to their nursing home.
1. The actual entry date was likely fall 2019 because of the Wuhan Military Games and airline travel from China to the US. SF never really had a hospitalization spike in 2020, so corona infection appears to have been spread out compared to other cities and was probably endemic in 2020.
2/ Well, actually... So we French have a huge Chinese immigrant population, and a lot of Chinese students. Weirdly enough, of those i met and spoke with when i was a student or at my company (including my scrum master right now), none of them came from the coastal cities. I don't know why, maybe because the universities used to be basically free for them until 2018 (and are still pretty cheap, 5k/y i think?).
I wouldn't be that surprised if France was the first foreign country infected by SRAS-Cov2. Wouldn't bet on it, but wouldn't be surprised.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid...
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid...
Even if you have already gotten covid you get better immunity with a very safe vaccination + infection than infection alone and supplies in the states are ample.
There simply is no conspiracy because neither the fact nor the motivation makes any sense. I encourage you to think through the matter more thoroughly.
The evidence seems to be that the coronavirus will continue mutating and the vaccine will not stop people from catching COVID again at some point. The vaccine is also, in my experience, painful.
Given these trade-offs it is reasonable for someone who has already been infected to avoid the vaccine. People already eat bad food, don't exercise and take risks.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/...
Prior infection does seem to provide better protection than vaccination against future symptomatic infections. But it's also possible that vaccination after infection could give a further boost to immunity.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/94258
We already know that the vaccines aren't very effective at stopping people from catching SARS-CoV-2 infections. However they remain very effective at preventing deaths. The vast majority of patients dying now are unvaccinated.
For an 18 year male athlete, is the risk lower than the risk from COVID? That’s the appropriate question. We don’t screen boys for prostate cancer. Why is that?
How do we know the vast majority of deaths are in the unvaccinated? Also, is it possible that vaccination status influences medical care? Can we do randomized blind studies to test your assertion? You are probably right, but given the lack of public reporting and the fact that people who make this claim never qualify it with the age or health status makes me deeply skeptical.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/my...
People have reported 1339 (778 confirmed) cases of myocarditis or pericarditis out of 363 million doses. This is not to say that the vaccine caused every case. Incidence in the general population is 10-22 per 100k. If I read that correctly as the annually.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32127272/
Then one would expect 300-750 cases to occur within the same week in a vaccinated patient naturally. Another confounding factor is covid is known to cause the same thing so its entirely possible that we are vaccinating people with covid or whom have gotten over covid and in some cases blaming the vaccine for the effect of the disease.
Let us suppose that all reported cases are ultimately confirmed and one would expect 300 cases without the vaccination and thus the vaccine caused 1000 extra cases in 363M doses.
This is a 1 in 363,000 chance of a side effect that rarely kills you.
In that same 363,000 if infected with covid will see 726 deaths 0.002 death rate and most will have some sort of lung damage even if they were perceptively asymptomatic.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/09/200906202950.h...
It is legitimate to be worried.
> In that same 363,000 if infected with covid will see 726 deaths
We're talking about people who have already survived COVID.
chance of infection(near 100%) * chance of negative consequences * cost of consequences
vs
chance of vaccine related injury * cost of vaccine related injury + newly reduced chance of infection and negative effects if infected anyway.
An 18 year old male who will eventually get covid if not vaccinated is trading a 1 in 500 chance of death and a 60% chance of lung damage for a 1 in 363,000 chance of myocarditis with a drastically reduced chance of getting covid which will if contracted virtually certainly be mild.
It's legitimate to be worried about anything that may effect the health of your family but if you actually understand the numbers its crazy not to get vaccinated.
At risk of repeating myself, this thread is about people who have already had COVID. Getting vaccinated isn't going to radically change the odds of what happens in the future.
And thanks to mutations, it is quite likely that if they get the vaccine they're going to catch COVID eventually anyway.
> Given these trade-offs it is reasonable for someone who has already been infected to avoid the vaccine.
Given that people go to silly lengths to avoid small discomforts and things they are afraid of I'd bet you that many who would avoid the vaccine because they had already had it in fact hadn't and wouldn't be interested in a test to establish it because it would debunk something they are holding onto as it makes them feel safe. Simply vaccinating everyone makes the most sense.
> The evidence seems to be that the coronavirus will continue mutating and the vaccine will not stop people from catching COVID again at some point.
I don't think this is established at all but its a fast moving topic can you point me to such?
Conversely everyone who had a sniffle in 2020 or even 2019 thinks they already had covid. The message don't get vaccinated if you've been infected would ultimately if implemented lead to millions of people being exposed because they thought they had covid infecting millions of others who are unvaccinated.
So do we want to use our ample supply of vaccine to make everyone including formerly infected slightly more safe or do we want to infect millions of additional idiots. The choice is clear.
Even in the fictional world where everyone was smart enough to understand the nuanced message of get tested to ensure you actually had covid we would be expending scant medical resources to do what? Help people be slightly less safe to avoid feeling unwell for two days?
Also, vaccines are not completely safe, even though in very small number of cases, they did cause side effects, as serious as hearth inflammation or blood clots.
This has been very sparsely studied (recovered individuals were excluded from the clinical trials) and is not as straightforward as you make it sound. At least one study has already suggested that cellular immune response may be eroded by a second dose of the mRNA vaccines.
A scientific viewpoint does not consist of finding a months old non peer reviewed study that suggests a viewpoint might be correct. In actual fact vaccinated individuals have half the reinfection rate across a large population.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm...
My situation is ruining my life.
It seems we’re champing at the bit to get boosters going for non-immune compromised people before we even know what the correlate of protection against SARS-CoV-2 is.
So.
I feel pretty good that they are making memory T cells.
edit: activated T cells. yes.
Memory T-cells are created and stored to speed up responses to subsequent infections.