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A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy, I’m confused why you would interpolate the two. It is just more fuel for the argument that America has always been so uncomfortable and Puritan with sex and way too comfortable with violence.

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I dont think they were talking about January 6 posts. I have seen all manner of Facebook friends censored for speaking their thoughts on varying subject matters that have been politicized over time. Also seen friends banned off Twitter for literal shitposting. I miss the internet when it was mostly full of nerds. After smartphones it all went downhill.

Summer never ended after 2008, sadly.

It's been eternally September since 1993.

Not sure why you're getting downvoted, but after smartphones it became clear the landscape of the internet changed drastically. Fore example today you can get a smartphone for under a hundred dollars. It might not perform the best, but it will get you on the internet. Hell, nowadays you can get hundred dollar laptops. Up till the late 2000's most people had to own a laptop or a desktop computer to get online, most phones charged up the nose for internet access if I remember correctly.

Weirdly enough, had smartphones not became a thing, I think Facebook Games would of possibly become the next Steam. It's a shame Facebook couldnt get their Games to take off as big as it once did, they would of produced an entirely different company.

A bot downvotes the first post I make in every thread and has ever since I criticized the moderator Dang.

What anyone with this argument doesn't understand is how censorship can't be comfortably shoehorned in these "morally understandable, accepted by everyone" categories. This false belief was a relic of the 80s-2000s. Shoehorning is very subjective of the current societal compass, and now that this breaks up to thousand pieces in online platforms, it fails us all.

While I am concerned about the coercive power of these platforms against speech they find unpopular, whether porn, or something else....

> A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy

Enough with the hyperbole, the FBI has already stated they found little evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow the govt [1], despite the fact we know that the Oathkeepers' leader is actually an FBI operative or informant [2]

[1] https://www.salon.com/2021/08/20/fbi-finds-little-evidence-j...

[2] https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/stewart-rhodes-oath-keeper...

From the article you linked, there was clearly coordinated groups trying to overtake:

>The officials did note that far-right groups – like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and Three Percenters – may have collaborated in breaching the Capitol on the day of the riot.

These aren't scrubs either. Some of them are ex-military, armed civilians coordinating with other groups to breach the capitol and take hostages. This is not hyperbole, it's fact. Just because they didn't succeed doesn't mean it wasn't real.

Then you might as well say that any riot or even a protest any of the people from these groups participate is an attempt to overthrow the government.

They pushed through security, and accessed private offices, and destroy property, with the stated intent to stop the vote count. On Camera.

This was not a protest or a riot, they intended to disrupt the normal order of governance.

Just like AOC and 150 of her companions did to Pelosi?

If they didn't bring guns and open carry it wasn't a real revolution or they were really stupid either way they weren't storming the white house it was congress and the FBI was involved heavily with the events so you could say it was government sponsored.

> they weren't storming the white house

Why would they storm the white house? Trump was there...they wanted to keep him there by intimidating politicians at the Capital to not certify the election. Stop watching Fox News / OAN / NewsMax (and CNN/etc while you're at it.) I am not delusional enough to think that Biden (or any politician) are in it for anything other than power. The difference between Trump and all the "professional" politicians is that when they lose, they don't decide to throw a temper tantrum and incite an insurrection. Storming the Capital was 100% an insurrection.

Definition of insurrection : an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

It's time to stop identifying as republican/democrat and start being an American. The institution of gov't and it's continuity matters more than the party in power. Trump tarnished the election process and the institution of American gov't. There are plenty of problems with our gov't caused by both sides (largely caused by bribery (I mean 'lobbying')) but maybe it's time to stop with the partisan bullshit and find common ground.

Care to peddle your bullshit somewhere else? There may have been no 'organized' conspiracy to overthrow the gov't, but they sure as hell were trying to illegally pressure politicians into not certifying the election.

Americans disagreeing over fair elections is nothing new. In 2016, Democrats made more objections than Republicans in 2020: https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-democrats-object-mor...

Let's also not forget about Stacy Abrams and Bush. There's even the whole Kennedy election controversy.

Maybe you should reread the rules before you comment more?

> A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy

That comparison doesn't work because calling to storm the Whitehouse is calling on people to perform an illegal act which is illegal by itself. I think everyone is in agreement that platforms should remove content that is illegal.

The content that encouraged people to storm Congress didn’t contain overtly illegal overtures. And yet that’s what happened, relatively predictably from the scenario.

I mean it does work, because that's exactly the difference they were pointing out.

> I think everyone is in agreement that platforms should remove content that is illegal.

Yes. Including child pornography that Twitter seems to find it difficult to remove off of their platform. [0] [1] [2]

[0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/30/india-twitter-kashm...

[1] https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-rules-twitter-can-be-su...

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-20/twitter-f...

"A girl pleasure herself" is a gross simplification of a highly complex topic.

You absolutely do not genuinely believe the white house rioters thought they were overthrowing democracy and this a plainly obvious straw man.

Calling on people to storm the capitol and over throw democracy isn't the same as protesting politicians who refuse to take allegations of election tampering seriously, and yet people with censorship powers keep insisting that the former is what January 6th was about.

There is no credible evidence. Its an insane conspiracy theory.

There were many, many lawsuits all of which were heard in court and ruled on.

>There were many, many lawsuits all of which were heard in court and ruled on.

No. Most of those lawsuits were thrown out without rulings. Generally, not enough process was given to investigate these allegations, which is why half the country supported Trump on Jan 6 until things got violent and moderates got cold feet.

Have you read any of the legal briefs? I read several of the prominent ones, and they all followed the same pattern of leading in with a bunch of easy facts but then jumping to completely unsupported conclusions (that were then used as political sound bites). The cases were summarily dismissed because they had no logical merit.

Are you talking about the time that BLM tried to storm the White House?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-moved...

Did you read your own article? A few people broke away from a peaceful protest and trespassed. In what reality is that even close to a huge mob breaking into the Capitol building with such force that they killed a cop and injured several others?

Its also a bit of a non-sequitur to the thread’s discussion.

I'd say your comment is a non-sequitur. Did you read the post that I responded to? He explicitly said the White House, not the Capitol. Nobody mentioned the Capitol except you.

Speaking of, no cops were killed by the Capitol protestors. See https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-sicknick-capitol-riot-die..., the medical examiner determined that he died of natural causes unrelated to his duties. Please don't spread fake news.

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