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>What exactly do you want to do with past events?

Reconciliation, reparations and justice.

>Lot of talk about China

Why is it US or China? It's just two countries. There are so many other way to do things. Why do you conclude that other than US' way, the only other way is China's way?

>Also, learn about what happened in Afghanistan from 1975 - You'll find that it has evolved into a proxy war between many parties, but was started by an Afghan president seeking help from Soviets.

Good one. How does Afghan president Soviet help justify America and Pakistan creating Taliban to destabilize Afghanistan? How is it America's business? Every sovereign nation has the right to seek help from whosoever they like. It's none of America's concern. But no, that won't be. Taliban has to be created to bring down a government that dared to seek Russia's help. I am not saying then afghanistan govt was all good. I am saying that doesn't justify US/UK destabilizing Afghanistan and creating Taliban with the help of Pakistan.

I have no idea what your identity has to do with your points. So, i am just gonna ignore all that except the "South Asian" bit. It's hard for me to take anyone seriously that uses that term. South America and North America actually mean something. They are real geographical entities in the south and north. It's just plain stupidity to call India, Pakistan and Bangladesh as "South Asia". All of Arab states, Iran, Pak, India, Bangladesh, Myanmar all the way to Vietnam is South Asia.

Where did I say that any of the events in Afghanistan is justified? My point is, the reality in Afghan has many sides, and none of them look good. Blaming one party is stupid. Also America didn't "create" Taliban - again you make inaccurate points. One faction fighting the civil war eventually became the Taliban and then were supported by ISI. The US had no role after Soviet withdrawal (until 2001).

"Reconciliation, reparations and justice" - yeah ideally. But how many years will you go back? And who exactly will accept their mistakes and fix? I mentioned China, US because these are the powerful entities now, along with Russia. If these countries can't accept responsibility for the issues they created, then no other country will because its politically infeasible.

Identity doesn't relate to my points as such. But you are simply blaming the "west" for all troubles and ignoring the acts of others in these conflicts. I mentioned "South Asian" as an addendum to point out that I am not merely defending my region.

First understand the complexities involved, rather than making absurd statements such as "America created Taliban". Then argue your points.

It would be absurd to suggest that America created the people who became taliban - obviously their parents did. I doubt any of them are americans. I guess that part of obvious, and i am sorry that i didn't make it clear. What I meant was that it was US with their attack dogs in the area, ie pakistan, who gave money, training and weapons to them.

There are complexities to every situation anywhere.

PS: America created Taliban. ISIS too.

Start from here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Storm-333

(Hint - It was the Soviets who went with their guns blazing to Kabul setting off a series of events causing instability.)

Beyond that, your reading comprehension isn't good enough for further arguments.

No it was the US with the help of Pakistan. See - /dev/null.

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