Who cares? If you and your loved ones are vaccinated y’all are good to go.
As the article this discussion is about… covid is here forever. Time to accept it and move the hell on.
As the article this discussion is about… covid is here forever. Time to accept it and move the hell on.
I'm vaccinated. I can still catch it - I'm much more unlikely to end up in hospital, but it's still an unpleasant illness to have, with a small chance of long-term complications that are not at all well understood.
And if I do catch it I can still spread it to others, who may not be vaccinated.
I very much care about not killing someone else by spreading Covid to them, even if they deliberately chose not to get the vaccine. I'm furious with them (and with the information sources they consumed that lead them to that decision) but I absolutely don't want to contribute to their suffering or death.
Yes, you can still catch it regardless what we do with NPIs. Stop living in fear.
It’s son intellectually dishonest to downvote people who express valid criticism. It’s pure tribalism… which is what is just about 40% for all our actions the last 1.6 years.
I think it's fair to demand that they change their way of living to prevent more deaths - 645,000 and counting just in the USA.
If we weren't living in a sea of unvaccinated people this conversation would be a lot easier.
You say the vaccine doesn't stop you from catching or spreading the virus, it just stops you from getting as badly sick. If that's the case then why do you care whether others are vaccinated or not? If it doesn't change the chances of them passing it on to you, and just changes how sick they'll get, then surely it doesn't make any difference to you?
Where are they saying that?
I am of a certain population that is more succeptable, and I just accept that there are people who would welcome my death from covid if it would save them from the slightest inconvenience.
I admire you for making reasonable arguments, you have more patience than me by far.
The effects of COVID complications aren't somehow magically isolated to the patient. Good luck to anyone who's young, healthy, and COVID-vaccinated, but has a bike or car accident, gives birth in a hospital, falls down some stairs, or otherwise requires inpatient care.
Remember the endlessly repeated mantra to "flatten the curve" from circa March 2020? The "curve" refers to ICU occupancy. Max that out and suddenly the effects of COVID spill beyond just sickening and killing its direct victims to complicating your health system.