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I had a similar false trigger trying to make an international call from our office phones. I didn’t know the exact incantation of the prefix, but knew it was 9 for an outside line and at home I used 011 then the country code. That didn’t seem to work, so I thought maybe I needed to drop the zero, resulting in me inadvertently dialing 911 and hanging up when that didn’t give me the dial tone I expected. I found the right sequence and was interrupted multiple times in the call as our floor fire coordinator showed up, then a few minutes later facilities, then a few minutes later local police.

I guess the system worked and I never forgot the correct prefix after that.

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I always find it crazy when systems make you dial 9 for an outside line, for this very reason.

Did the same thing myself my first week in college. Got the police. Told them what I did and I could hear the eye-roll on the other end of the line, and was told I was the third person that day.

We stopped extensions since there were multiple exchanges being used on campus so you have to dial someone's entire number. But, you will have to dial 9 and 1 and then the number. Everyone has externally accessible phone numbers so why are we still dialling 91 when youve got to dial the whole thing anyway?

I'd always assumed (UK) that 9 was a deliberate choice to make it easier to dial the emergency number, 999, because you can just mash 9 until something happens. I guess if it's the same number in all other countries who have a range of emergency numbers, then that might not be the reason.

My working theory is that in old times phones had rotary dial instead of key pad. Number 1 was the longest to dial, 9 was the shortest (as I remember from childhood days). Thus, fastest way to dial 3 digit code was to use numbers with as much as 9 as possible (997,998,999).

I grew up with a rotary phone. From memory, 1 was the shortest to dial, 9 the longest.

I stand corrected then!

Pedantic tidbit of archaic lore: this was so because each digit was represented by the number of clicks that the rotating disc triggered on the line (with 10 clicks for 0).

If the dial was locked or missing, you could still "dial" a number by quickly tapping it with the on-hook switch the receiver would rest on, because that was the same effect the rotary dial mechanism was producing

Actually this is country specific AFAIK. Wikipedia has a picture[1] of a phone from New Zealand which has 9 as the shortest.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_dial#/media/File:New_Ze...

Kiwis don't count /s

This might also explain why the Kiwi emergency number is 111 as a counterpoint to the UK's 999. Interesting!

One was the shortest to dial since it's just one pulse, nine was the longest one. The purpose was to make it hard to dial 999 accidentally.

You have it backwards. 1 is the shortest to dial. Zero is longest. 9 is second longest.

Was the arrangement of the numbers backwards from the US rotary phone? Because in the US 1 was the shortest. That’s why large cities like New York got 212 and Los Angeles got 213 which were the fastest to dial on a rotary phone.

I would add that 911 is a "queer" choice (for rotary phones), in other countries the emergency numbers are lowish numbers, in Italy 112 or 113 (or 115), and there are several records in the past of people managing to "dial" them by quickly pushing and releasing the hook switch.

There was another reason for this as it was common, many, many years ago, to restrict the possibility to make phone calls by using a little lock on the dial, like this:

https://www.ebay.it/itm/402554995319?hash=item5dba25c277:g:~...

it was placed on the #3 hole, so that you could dial 112 or 113 even when the lock was on.

> in Italy 112

Did you introduce the EU emergency number as the national one? If so - good choice.

In France we have the plethora of numbers (15, 17, 18 - I actually do not know what 16 does), and also 112.

We are still teaching "18" as the primary number (you get the firemen who will either come for a fire, or for an accident, or dispatch). We could go for 112 (and keep the older number for a generation, redirecting them to 112) and not rely on people to know which number to call.

UPDATE: I just asked my 17 yo son which number he would call in an emergency and he said 112. So there is hope :)

The EU standardised on 112 a few years ago. Old numbers continue to work.

Also, the GSM system (so almost all mobile phones, world wide) must support 112.

If you can read french, here's a page about why 16 isn't used (anymore!) https://www.guichetdusavoir.org/viewtopic.php?t=36236

TL;DR Running out of numbers and putting in temporary measures requiring the 16 as prefix. Measures that likely didn't scale as well as expected since we moved on to a different system within basically 10 years.

Ahhh! Of course - 16 for long distance calls! How could I have forgotten (it was introduced when I was a teenager).

Thanks for reminding me :)

JFYI, besides and before the EU emergency number, in Italy we traditionally had:

112 Carabinieri (one of the two national "police" corps)

113 Polizia (the other national police corps)

115 Pompieri (Fire Brigade)

118 Ambulanza (Ambulance)

In Italian it is a common phrase "roba da chiamare il 112" o "roba da chiamare il 113" (something that needs a call to 112 or 113) as a synonym of "a serious emergency" and of course if you called those numbers they would anyway forward the call to the appropriate service (like ambulance, fire brigade, etc.).

The EU emergency number is slowly being introduced (some regions have it already, some not yet), but the 112 is already well in the minds of anyone.

How does/did a citizen make the decision of which police force to call?

In France we also have two "police" forces: the "gendarmerie" and the "police nationale".

You may know "gendarmerie" from the Louis de Funes movies (Le gendarme de St Tropez, ...) - this is a military unit that mostly works in the countryside.

The "police nationale" is an entity attached to the ministry of interior and does more or less the same things, but more in the cities.

There is a history of hatred between these organizations - yes, this is how stupid we are. They share competencies (the most well known being the elite units - GIGN and RAID)

When you want to call the police, you dial 17 and you get the right one, depending on where you are.

If you have a health problem, you call the 18 (firemen), or the 15 (ambulance).

If there is a fire, you call the 18.

This is why having a single 112 number is easier to teach to children and tourists.

> How does/did a citizen make the decision of which police force to call?

It is a good question.

It depends.

There may be territorial choices or also "political" ones.

Typically Carabinieri have more presence in the country/villages/small towns whilst Police have more presence in larger cities (but there are Carabinieri there as well and - additionally - the local police, which were once called Vigili Urbani and now are called Polizia Municipale, and there is also the Polizia Regionale, to the joy of foreigners that do have a really hard time to understand the subtleties), highways and main roads are typically Police only (Polizia Stradale), but minor roads are usually patroled by the Carabinieri.

So usually you call (called) 112 or 113 depending on where you are (where the emergency happens).

The "political" part is even more subtle.

The Carabinieri are a branch of the military, whilst the Police are "civil", people leaning to the right tend to trust the Carabinieri (whose motto is "nei secoli fedele" i.e. "faithful in centuries") more than Police, whilst people leaning to the left tend to trust the Police as being more independent.

Until not so many years ago if you (or your family) had some relationship/contacts with some (left side) parties or association you would have not been allowed to join the Carabinieri (whether this was official policy or simply what happened is another thing).

The popular perception was (is) that the Carabinieri operate strictly by the Law, whilst Police is a little more "giving/flexible" (on minor things).

On the other hand, once it was easier to join the Carabinieri with a lower level of school/education than to join the Police, so we have here all the jokes about stupidity/ignorance targeting the Carabinieri (the same ones that traditionally in the UK are about the Irish or the Polish).

I heard a very interesting explanation (on BBC R4) of the reason for choosing 9 (one of the slowest numbers to dial), rather than 1 (the quickest).

The old overhead telephone lines could knock against each other in the wind, producing a pulse which (to the system) appeared to be a 1. This could easily happen three times in a row, resulting in an unwanted call to the emergency services.

On rotaryphones 0 takes the longest to dial, then comes the 9. 1 was the fastest to dial, I think this is the reason why emergency numbers tend to have the lower numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_dial

According to Wikipedia:

> The 9-9-9 format was chosen based on the 'button A' and 'button B' design of pre-payment coin-operated public payphones in wide use (first introduced in 1925) which could be easily modified to allow free use of the 9 digit on the rotary dial in addition to the 0 digit (then used to call the operator), without allowing free use of numbers involving other digits

There's a citation, but it's a book from 1950, so not particularly easy to verify.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/999_(emergency_telephone_numbe...

I had the same issue happen but on a fax machine. Naturally, I couldn't hear anything when the 911 operator picked up, so I continued to try out various combinations, until the watchman and a cop showed up to check on the situation: just me trying to fax something abroad late at night.

I've seen it with someone with a certain amount of dementia trying to make a modem work. What he was trying to do was actually impossible and he responded to failure by trying variations on it.

Perhaps it needs the 1 for long distance? (No, it doesn't, the software knows better.) Perhaps it needs a 9 for an outside line? (No, the modem already has an outside line, it doesn't go through the phone system.)

I'm sure you can see what he did.

To dial out at my office, you have to dial 991. It’s only a matter of time before I either accidentally dial 911 at work or accidentally dial 991 in an actual emergency.

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