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I'd do that for some of the people I've worked with. One of them offered to let me live with him for a couple of weeks, others I've helped move house, or offered to invest in their businesses.

The problem here is confusing the destination with the journey. I'm not loyal to them because top-down management told me they were family, I'm loyal to them because top-down management created an environment where I went to the pub with the same great people every couple of Fridays for years.

EDIT: They also know damn well what the difference is between things I want and things the company wants, and prioritise the former while ignoring the latter.

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I’ve vacationed with coworkers, stood up in two coworker’s weddings, and I still keep in touch with a core group from a job I left almost a decade ago.

To your point, this was possible because work provided an environment to meet these people.

But for every person I’m friends with or still stay in touch with, there are 100 I do not. Ongoing friendship has nothing to do with work, and everything to do with the people I met there.

Same, but ironically the bonds I made with those people were sometimes due in part to our shared experience of working in a bad environment with horrible management.

Friendship seems very much a function of overall time shared together. School, work, sports, military, what else is there? ... even internet forums and email correspondence have netted me some long-term (IRL) friendships.

When people get busy with commuting, family, house upkeep, demanding jobs, and distance, new friendship is all but impossible. This is probably the #1 topic on r/AskMenOver30

> But for every person I’m friends with or still stay in touch with, there are 100 I do not

probably 1000x the base rate for life generally.

Work and jobs are different things

Work is generic

A job is specific

I like to work and work with people

I hate my job which specifically exists because 2-5 people, founders, investors, eventually some manager, or some “owner” of socially valuable land or machinery, said this is the work they’ll pay for.

I’m not a family member or friend of people in a system like that. Since those people too kowtowed to doing a job for someone else, not finding work of value to their experience.

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