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GM expands recall to ALL 2017-2022 Chevy Bolt EVs including EUV, blames LG

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43 pointsjosephcsible17 comments

It seems like there is still no mass market EV at a mid level price range (25-40K) USD that is able to compete with Tesla Model 3. As much as I am sceptical of Tesla's market cap, these setbacks by GM and Toyota prove that Tesla indeed has a 10 year technological advantage compared to other car manufacturers.

Not sure what metrics you want to compare on, but what about VW ID.3 and 4 or the Hyundia E-Ioniq? On the high end .lMercedes and Audi have options as well.

Chevy Bolt - battery recall

Hyundai Kona and Ionic EVs - battery recall, can't get parts https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/tech/hyundai-ev-recall/index....

VW Id3 and Id4 - massive software issues https://insideevs.com/news/389129/volkswagen-id3-massive-sof...

Either Tesla is actually good at this or all the other car manufacturers are incompetent.

edit: Jaguar FPace had a bunch of issues too.

Basically BMW and Audi have EVs that launched OK but they can't afford to build them at scale

Nissan Leaf is still going fine

Really sucks this is happening because it gives EVs a bad reputation

Disclaimer: i own a Leaf and a 3

Tesla has its own fair share of problems. Including major recalls.

Even the non-recall stuff, Tesla has Major issues.

Jaguar F-Pace is a fossil fuel car. The electric version is the I-Pace.

I don't know why but I always confuse those models

So a 100,000 cars for a total cost of $1 billion. Or $10,000 per car!!!

There has to be some material recycling requisition cost. That they did not include in their estimate

What’s the average sale price of a bolt?

$25-30K. The MSRP started at $37,495 until a price drop earlier this year, but GM regularly offered ~$9K in manufacturer discounts, dropping it to $28K or so. But most dealers don't order base model cars with no options at all, so maybe $30K more realistically. The battery costing 1/3rd of the whole car is not unusual for an EV.

At the beginning of the year, it was dropping down to the low $20Ks.

Ford must be loving this - Mach-E uses LG batteries, and Lightning will use SK ones, except SK just paid ~$2B settlement for stealing LG battery tech.

this is bad. I really hope this doesn’t effect the rate of ev adoption(excluding gm’s contributions). karma’s a bitch!

How many cars are we talking about here?

About 100k. It’s not a lot of cars, but the cost is almost $1B. Luckily GM hasn’t sold Bolts in volume.

Unfortunately, based on the defect causing this recall, I don’t believe the packs can be remanufactured/refurbished for reuse. Considering the storage potential of the impacted packs, this is somewhat tragic.

The article says they’ll be replacing battery modules. Usually a battery pack has several modules.

Might be infeasible to repair the modules, though.

They're replacing /all/ of the modules in every battery pack of every Chevy Bolt including the EUV variant, per their recall letters to dealers and customers.

Based on my limited knowledge of the severity of the anode defect, there is a possible use for grid storage, keeping the power draw requirements low, they should be fine. But More so interested in what is actually going to happen with all these packs... they definitely will show up on open market...

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