Palantir CEO Alex Karp gives $180k to ousted hermit River Dave
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The landowner wouldn't have even realized this geezer was squatting, and he would have continued in peace and tranquility for the few years he has remaining.
Instead it's been a whole hoohah that's wasted a lot of time and money and energy.
How did Karp know of River Dave? What was the property dispute that resulted in the fire? Why does Lidstone have his own Facebook group of supporters?
Can’t put my finger on it, this story just seems strange.
https://www.concordmonitor.com/After-decades-in-woods-New-Ha...
Town officials said the structure he built was illegal, and told the landowner it had to be removed. River Dave said it was a hunting cabin and not subject to the same rules. Authorities cited him and he was summoned to court. He cursed all of the authorities who he said were persecuting him including the judge IIRC. He was unable or unwilling to move elsewhere.
The day the story broke in the Boston Globe (and from there to national media), the place burnt down.
You even used quotes to make it look like you were quoting someone when you weren't, which is a trope of degraded discussion in its own right.
Thoughtful critique is welcome on HN. That requires substantive engagement with something somebody actually said. It also requires some meaningful relationship to the topic. I didn't see that here, nor any actual information.
By 'fulminating' I suppose I mean the high-indignation-low-information style of internet commenting (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).
One thing you might find helpful for understanding what's good vs. bad to post to HN—at least I have found it helpful—is the distinction between reflexive and reflective posts: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor.... Your GP comment struck me as reflexive. It basically seems to hop along a chain of reflexes like this: rich person -> rage -> other rich person -> rage.
Another point I orient by is that HN threads get less interesting and valuable as they get more generic (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...), and especially as they get more generic+indignant. To me your GP comment seemed like a sharp move in those directions, which is always a move towards threads getting worse and more predictable. Keep in mind that the issue is not just the value of a comment individually but the expected value of the subthread it is likely to lead to: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor....
I hope that helps explain things a bit and isn't too much of a downer. I appreciate the question and your intention to understand. I also agree that there are reasonable critiques to be made about "billionaire donates to soup kitchen" stories (if that's what this was). But not by fulminating, and especially not on classic flamewar topics.
FWIW, I used quotes because the rose that grew from concrete is a poem, and a phrase that is not my own. My intention was to not pass it off as my own. What I should have done is quoted or referenced a particular essay of PG's to demonstrate that he has in fact written posts which use a similar logic. In any event, I'll be more careful on my quotes in the future.
Your links are helpful, and based on them, I think you were right to call me out. Thank you.
One suggestion: Perhaps the site guidelines page could reference a couple of these links? I recognize they're off-site, but when I popped open a dictionary and a thesaurus to figure out how I'd crossed the line on "fulmination", it was a bit unclear to me which definition I was dealing with. Granted, precision is not always the solution and moderation is always going to require a bit of feeling rather than some strict criteria by which one comment is allowed to slide and another isn't, but it's at least worth considering IMO.
Thanks for being a great mod, dang!
It's on my list to eventually compile those links and the principles they explain into some sort of commentary on the site guidelines. There's too much material to put into the guidelines themselves; if those get too long, no one will read them. They're probably already too long :)
Anyway, if you don't care about the CEO angle, River Dave's story is interesting. Or was to me, fwiw.
https://sentinelcolorado.com/uncategorized/river-dave-doesnt...
Still unclear to me why Karp gave him the money but seems like its helpful to "River Dave".
Palantir worked with Cambridge Analytica on the Facebook data it acquired
Palantir is using War on Terror tools to track American citizens
NYPD is canceling its Palantir contract
Leaked Palantir Doc Reveals Uses, Specific Functions and Key Clients
U.S. regulators accuse Palantir of bias against Asians
How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network
Britain gave Palantir access to sensitive COVID-19 patient records in £1 dealAt this point you can probably reverse engineer that process. Invent something that persecutes minorities in some form, go to the lotr wiki, hit the random button and apply for a loan
> Palantir worked with Cambridge Analytica on the Facebook data it acquired
Google, PG&E, DoorDash, Edible Arrangements, worked with Cambridge Analytica...
> Palantir is using War on Terror tools to track American citizens
The government does using some of Palantir's tools. Does Palatir itself do that?
> NYPD is canceling its Palantir contract
So?
> Leaked Palantir Doc Reveals Uses, Specific Functions and Key Clients
So?
> U.S. regulators accuse Palantir of bias against Asians
Accuse being the key word.
> How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network
How Google, PG&E, DoorDash and Edible Arrangements helped expand the NSA's global spy network. Maybe the NSA is the problem here, not service providers?
> Britain gave Palantir access to sensitive COVID-19 patient records in £1 deal
Why did Britain give them access to that?
For example: The first story, it was later confirmed Palantir declined it, even the whistleblower admitted that they were just talking but never amounted to anything https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/27/palantir-worked-with-cambrid...
I also encourage you to read in detail MiJente's report on ICE, I had to stop midway due to personal attacks on Thiel, nothing related to the business, it seemed like propaganda whitepaper.
There is no question how far big tech will go to brainwash the population with ads, as they profit from that business model and squash every opposition against them. Be very careful of what you read online, even in HN.
> “That was not an official contract between Palantir and Cambridge Analytica, but there were Palantir staff that would come into the office and work on that data,” Wylie told lawmakers. He added that Palantir staff “helped build the models we were working on.”
It is sad to see how Big Tech brainwashes people to be anti-gov when you are able to enjoy a stable country due to their unseen, underpaid and underappreciated work behind the scenes.
Good for you, keep on living in your paradise bubble: pump anti-gov ads & hype/gamble crypto while taking COVID subsidies. Complain about missing free lunches & perks remotely while the world starves and begs for opportunities.
Privileged and irresponsible as it gets. Take hard good look at yourself: your ancestors fought and died for your freedoms, it was not for you to abuse it.
Have you seen the insane money-making by the rich over the last, I dunno, 30-40 years? The kind of money-making that thoroughly fucks/fucked the rest of us?
Doesn't really matter in this case anyway: gifting money to an individual definitely does not count as a charitable contribution.
Is a new story 'supposed' to make you feel anything? It's just giving you the facts.
See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
Right.
You said you thought it was supposed to make us feel good, then you said you don't know what it was supposed to do.
Both things cannot be true at the same time, can they?
> Is a new story 'supposed' to make you feel anything? It's just giving you the facts.
I just showed you how it is supposed to make you feel something.
You just claimed it - you didn't show anything but your opinion! There are lots of reasons people print stories - such as earning income.
But news organisations do this all the time!
Companies like Google advertise in all major national newspapers, but of course those newspaper carry criticism of Google.
Have you really never noticed this?
I have had stories spiked because they were 'too political' and that sucked. And I've quit jobs for ethical reasons (though not in that same context), which also sucked. I think your criticism is valid but I also think that an overly ideological analysis - which a guy like Noam Chomsky does a lot - can mislead one into oversimplifying a complex picture. Understanding the idea and mechanics of manufacturing consent is important for media literacy and political understanding. But it's a rule of thumb to keep in mind when consuming media, not an iron law of social behavior; if you start assuming that everyone in the media is part of a giant consent-manufacturing conspiracy, then you can fall into a different cognitive trap that is just as bad as uncritical acceptance.
He was a logger for years and he didn't have much money and he was used to being in the woods and then probably society grew up around him and now he's the one somehow in the wrong, basically.
Society moves forward and then we are all judgy towards the still living anachronisms who maybe weren't so weird "back in the day" but now it's just not done.
I'm glad someone had a little compassion for him instead of criminalizing him for being poor and old as is done all too often these days.
I get that he is not really harming anyone but he us squatting on someone else’s property. Theres all kinds if legal liability concerns for the property owner.
Social norms change and then older people are sometimes treated like their assumptions are crazy talk rather than totally normal assumptions from their childhood when what they are doing now wasn't some freakish, weirdo, "you must be an abusive criminal type" back then.
I think it's worth remembering that the US mores about property as enshrined the Constitution were a) meant to protect against landed aristocrats' forcible expansions of their estate, and b) codified at a time when the first Americans had colonized one relatively small corner of a continent that seemed vast beyond the imagination, and the acme of mechanization/industrial production was the water wheel.
[1] https://courts-state-nh-us.libguides.com/adversepossession
[2] https://www.nashualaw.com/adverse-possession-in-new-hampshir...
> Further, the claimant must possess the land adversely to the actual owner. This means that the adverse possessor cannot be occupying the land with the permission of the owner.
Dave claims that he was given permission to occupy the land by a previous owner, which can complicate matters here. If the current owner took possession more than 20 years ago and insists that permission was not granted, then Dave wins. If they took possession less than 20 years ago, then Dave hasn't been there without permission for long enough, unless there's some duty to inform. Given that the legal dispute started in 2016 the window probably isn't even 27 years: more like 21. And without documentation to establish that he was actually there 27 years ago, it's not looking good for Dave here
Comments like this make it seem like you have no awareness of how our government works from the inside. That’s a sad failure of civics education. Here’s a basic outline: it takes money from individuals, and gives it to contractors.
Edit to add: @rdxm -- my first thought was what you originally posted. If I could give you an upvote I would, rules or not.
Who cares? (yes Dang I know it's upvoted so it's relevant haha).
With Karp @ $2.1b net worth, this is akin to somebody worth $10m giving away $715.00. Or somebody worth $100,000 giving away $7.15.
There is nothing notable about this story, other than Carp was probably browsing the internet, saw this "Local News Cares" tragic story and the subsequent GoFundMe and made a donation to a story that pulled on his heart strings just like the rest of us.
To these people, news where the Evil Spymaster does something humanist and caring, would be surprising news, simply by being completely at odds with their biases.
That's a mildly interesting fact. Now I'll slightly adjust a couple priors. Good enough for me.
The problem of course is if people started thinking in relative terms then there would be little or no incentive for the wealthy to give anything at all. In this version of a just world, this $180k gift would be just as ignored as the $7.50 gift. The fact that this person gave non-anonymously tells me that it was about PR as much as anything else.
BTW, truly blessed are the ones who give anonymously. That, to me, is the ultimate in giving, because you receive nothing, not even notoriety, in return.
And ironically, for someone like Karp, giving anonymously might engender worse speculation if found out.
This isn't minimizing your personal act of charity. You don't have the power to, say, make sure that every unhoused person in your city has access to shelter, or that every American has access to an affordable source of potable water, or any of the other shameful situations that exist in the richest country in the world by total GDP[1]. This is bringing the scale of the CEO's act down to something the 99.999% of us who aren't billionaires can comprehend.
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[0]: Of course, I don't mean in the literal sense of "society allows this guy to live," but more that his billionaire status owes in large part to the fact that American society is set up to allow people to become billionaires.
[1]: This is to say nothing of fighting climate change, or any other, important, global issue.