I get that it's a de facto situation for some, but let's not drop the onus on "morality police", payment processors, and OnlyFans for a massive societal failure to help vulnerable people. You could take that argument as far as you want (prostitution, drug sales, etc). There is some level of dignity that everyone's entitled to. If someone does OF by choice because they love it, good for them. If someone is compelled to in order to feed their kids or leave an abusive partner, then we should all be ashamed of that.
People are making huge bank with content you could post on Instagram without fear of being banned.
You're right, we should tell them to wait until society is fixed.
I totally get their mindset. If it wasn’t for my own residual sexual conservatism, I’d much rather be an OnlyFans sex worker than some underpaid wage slave.
And let's be frank here. OF is probably a viable financial opportunity - on average - for a small number of more attractive that normal people, and it's probably weighted towards younger women. I'd love to have hard data to present to you, but I can't find it.
I have literally zero problem with people who want to use OF to support themselves. However, let's agree 1) that some people for whom it would be a viable financial option find it objectionable and 2) it's a less viable financial option for some, even if they don't find it objectionable.
I think that groups 1 & 2 in there should still be able to work a 40 hour job and pay for food and rent, and still be able to save something to retire if they want to. And they probably should fear starving or dying of exposure even if they don't have a job.
Call it unrealistic, but I prefer to fix that problem, too.
But why? Because their parents told them so?
Is there some fundamental reason to see this differently? Some cultures accept murder too, should we accept that some people think of it differently? I say fuck those people.
Mostly for people’s in-groups. The care goes down as in-group association goes down.
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America, Europe/NATO, and other allied countries have unnecessary “wars” and conflicts and use things like drones to murder people. Drones killing people randomly isn’t war a lot of the time.
Murder definition is silly. Says “unlawful” killing of someone. Who determines what’s lawful when the countries included at the beginning do stuff overseas? Obviously some will consider all the killing done as murder.
It’s not hard to say we (as in the west) murdered Yemenese, Afghans/Pakistanis (the drones attacking people), Palestinians, and more in recent years. Then we have the big name ones like murdering the Iranian general a year ago.
via equity, alliance, and diplomatic and financial support. Not directly, but murder charges in most countries can be charged to people who aren’t directly doing the killing too
The only real reason to single out OF (an objectively superior option to a median job, if you can get it) is precisely the puritanical morality.
> Religious morality is the only reason a much more safe, comfortable and lucrative option like OnlyFans is banned.
I do not think this is right either. Take away all the religious baggage and still parents will try to keep their daughters from doing porn. Change our neurobiology so we don't act that way and, well you have a different species.
You believe the long lasting consequences of doing porn and being a waitress are exactly the same? You've never been involved or talked to a porn performer. Suicide rates for the latter don't lie.
That said suicide rates at my engineering school were high enough that the administration had to close roof accesses :)
The fact that you can (at least in theory) quit, recover and find a better job, or get promoted. Unlike humiliating videos of yourself being on the internet forever.
Arguably one can claim that marrying upwards isn’t always bad and quite often they are loved and cared for but in the end this is nothing new.
with all due respect, most people are 'forced' into some sort of labor to get housing or escape abusive partners. It's the way society is built. If it's sex work or not, that's a different story but not by much. Work is work.
I absolutely agree. A society where people have to resort to prostitution in order to keep a roof on their heads FAILED, politically, morally and culturally. In fact, that's exactly how things go in third world countries...
I know there are 'shelters' in various cities (and the one in my town has been over 110% capacity for like 20 years (every time I've checked) afaik) - but I mean they can move into a place and start working a minimum wage job and not worry about paying the bills for the roof / utilities / child car / rice and beans?
I'd love to know about such places, I don't think this is possible in the US, and never heard of such options elsewhere, but could exist.
From the Taliban to Democrats to Republicans to Socialists to Libertarians. (except the aside about "If someone does OF by choice because they love it, good for them")
So I don't see the relevance.
OP offers a solution to keep the current maxima for these girls. Fight for their well being and ask OF and payment processors to let them stay.
The best actionable plan from your comment I can see is, lets dump these girls in the worst of it so it shames people into improving society.
I was just pointing out that technology's ability to reduce scarcity keeps increasing--so as time goes on, our obsession with scarcity as a motivator is increasingly embarrassing.
Well, it's still more dignified than telemarketing - the worker, the viewers and the platform all benefit from the transaction, unlike telemarketing call centres, where the worker is paid to screw over people at scale. If you want an indictment of a society, I'd first focus on people being forced into jobs that involve hurting other people.
OnlyFans is only a lucrative option for a small group of people - young attractive women. How is it that every other segment of the population can keep out of abusive relationships and beneath a roof (to the extent they can) without the benefit of OnlyFans?
Second, OnlyFans is an abusive relationship. It's using women during the few years they are attractive enough to exploit the instincts of men. The instant their looks wear off, they're out.
Note that OnlyFans doesn't kick out the older people, they just get less popular.