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This is a very bad comment.

Delta is one of the most transmissive and dangerous viruses in history. Many times worse than previous strains of COVID. Delta has the capability of burning through communities even with relatively high vaccine coverage. We are dealing with a historically dangerous strain!

And despite this, daily deaths are significantly lower per capita than previous outbreaks in Isreal despite daily case loads being already as high as previous outbreaks.

If anything, what's happening in Isreal is an indicator that not only are vaccines working, but they are working well. Even as efficacy has reduced over time.

And lastly, efficacy of a COVID vaccine feels kinda orthogonal to efficacy of an HIV vaccine, no?

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This says the delta variant is less deadly. https://nypost.com/2021/07/08/dont-buy-the-hysteria-the-delt...

Edit. I’m not completely happy with that source so here’s at least one paper I found:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3886341

I think I'm done with HN. It has become like a hivemind, it's absolutely impossible to say anything contrarian about the vaccines and COVID in general.

You have a perfectly sensible comment, you're already downvoted as if you said the earth is flat.

Very disappointing.

Stick with it. If the opposing voices leave then it will get even more one sided. Just save up karma for the rainy days.

> you're already downvoted as if you said the earth is flat.

That's because you're drawing conclusions from data that are not that far off from "the earth is flat".

Claims about Delta being "more infectious" are the same claim that was made for all the others. Dig into how they try to calculate that and you'll find the exact type of models that have repeatedly failed so far.

Remember: the UK released most of its restrictions, including masks and lockdowns in a so-called "freedom day". Experts said the country was performing a dangerous experiment on the entire world. Cases started plunging just three days later. To compare people pointing out the proven, beyond any doubt unreliability of claims about COVID to flat earthers shows just how ideological and blind this whole thing has become.

Most Republican states in the US dropped restrictions last year and cases aren't skyrocketing. People just don't talk about them.

Cases aren't skyrocketing? Have you...looked at the South recently?

> recently

So you're confirming what I said? "Last year" isn't "recently", meaning the current rise has nothing to do with dropping restrictions.

More than anything else it looks like it's fully seasonal, with timing of the the drops and rises this year matching last year pretty closely regardless of restrictions.

> just how ideological and blind this whole thing has become.

Yes, I agree that COVID denialism and antivax feelings are this way. :)

I site based on tech and science and you are confused why the majority or pro vax? Did you ever consider you just flat out wrong?

yeah, maybe just maybe it's because you are spreading nonsense on a forum that likes the thoughts to be backed by evidence and not wild speculation and spurious conclusions. reflect.

honestly if you weren't on the internet you'd just be that weird guy at the bar spouting conspiracy theories and blaming the "man" but instead you're here on an international forum doing the same with the same "weight" as some industry titans and other thought leaders.

These sources are not reliable. The increased hospitalizations in recent weeks discount this theory entirely.

You do realize that the article you're posting is saying exactly what my comment was saying, that vaccines are effective, right?

I was just replying to the alarmist part:

> Delta is one of the most transmissive and dangerous viruses in history. Many times worse than previous strains of COVID.

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