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Tesla does not offer a vehicle that does not require human drivers (not even momentarily). Tesla's autopilot and FSD systems are both SAE Level 2, which means the human is still in operation of the vehicle at all times. All of Tesla's driving assistance technologies require a human to monitor operation of the vehicle and intervene if necessary. The fact that they have given anyone an impression otherwise is problematic.

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> The fact that they have given anyone an impression otherwise is problematic.

Good grief. This meme will not die. The car literally tells you to keep your hands on the wheel every time you engage autopilot, yells at you if you don't, will lock you out of the system as punishment if you don't comply, and if you really seem disabled will bring the car to a stop and turn the hazards on. It simply will not operate without an attentive driver, or at the very least one spending considerable energy at defeating the attention nags.

There are exactly zero Tesla drivers in the world who don't know these rules. Just stop with the nonsense. Please.

> There are exactly zero Tesla drivers in the world who don't know these rules. Just stop with the nonsense. Please.

Tesla's marketing also knows that there are exactly zero drivers in the world who follow those rules, but that doesn't stop them from overselling the capabilities of what they ship.

Stop it. Please. Again, there are no Tesla drivers who have been misled about the capabilities of the system. The people who have been mislead are folks like you who read arguments on the internet and don't drive these cars. Go try one and see how the system works. It doesn't permit the kind of confusion that everyone constantly assumes. It just doesn't.

There are many instances of people defeating the lockout system. Social media is full of these types of demonstrations. Plenty have the attitude that it is okay to do this. Some have died while showing it off.

"Defeating the lockout system" wasn't the discussion at hand. The contention upthread is that Tesla drivers did not know that they needed drive the car.

The widespread defeat demonstrations are evidence of the pop-culture misunderstanding of the situation and owners’ willingness to:

1. concede to peer pressure and/or

2. doubt of the validity or seriousness of those warnings/lockouts

And there are Tesla materials that say, word for word, "The driver is only there for legal purposes. The car is driving itself."

It only yells at you now because Tesla had to be forced to make it do so. Previously it'd let you go for a quarter of an hour before checking in on you.

Good grief yourself.

Because the effectiveness of those warnings are diminished by mixed messaging and peer pressure from non-owner passengers.

There are plenty of people who have been convinced that those safety features/warnings are “just there for lawyers” and have attached items to the wheel to defeat the safety lockouts in order to show off their “self driving car” to their friends.

Here's #1 out of your zero drivers ;)

"Tesla driver slept as car was going over 80 mph on Autopilot, Wisconsin officials say"

And that driver was cheating the attention nags

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