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I reported this site to PayPal and they still accept payments to this day

personablee.com

18 pointsmikulabc18 comments

This would be slightly less appalling if PayPal weren't so ban-happy towards people and organizations who weren't actually doing anything wrong. But as it stands, their false positive rate and false negative rate are both unacceptably high.

This is why I defend the controversial Cloudflare policy of being so slow and deliberate in removing things.

Hasn't Cloudflare started removing a lot more lately than they ever used to?

I've not heard that. From my current understanding, they generally don't evict a site when there is no risk of legal action. Maybe you're thinking of their reputation for being too strict on filtering TOR users?

I definitely wasn't thinking of the Tor thing. Maybe I was just overestimating how common it was. Looking again, the only sites I can find that Cloudflare evicted even though there was no risk of legal action were the Daily Stormer and 8chan.

I too had a similar situation with PayPal. When I filed a complaint they rejected it because the fake seller was able to produce shipping information. They send a letter (or empty package) to some address in your city but not your actual address so that the item shows as delivered. If you look closely you will see that your actual address is never shown in the details.

They did not even bother to change anything

- the email to something more trustworthy, they use cong513489038@gmail.com and a295224870@gmail.com and others on different pages - the domain in the privacy policy is linking to carvemyname.com but the title on hover is getphotopuzzle.com which both are not the actual site - the title of the site is "BESTSHOP" and the domain is personablee.com - On the footer, they did not even manage to write "Renfund Poilcy" correctly - The site was first seen as a facebook ad, i can't verify if the ad is still running but i reported that one to facebook aswell - The number they have on the bottom is from the "London School of Economics..." - and many more issues

I am sure you all noticed the cheap prices :)

> reported that one to facebook aswell

I've given up reporting obviously scammy (and sometimes blatantly illegal) adverts, links, and profiles, to facebook. The canned “doesn't break out community rules” responses or no response at all, confirms to me that a large part of the point of facebook is ripping people off and facebook know it! I've even stopped commenting on the adverts with a list of red flags to warn others, because that just makes facebook show you more of them (if you've engaged with one, you might be interested in seeing others!).

> They did not even bother to change anything

Could be they have no consumers disputing charges. They get enough of those and they will take action.

Because consumers are still waiting for their product and customer support says to wait, and then they refund not to get in trouble, but enough people don't think this far and when the moment comes to get a refund, the criminals will have withdrawn all the money already and PayPal will not do anything about it

Last November I did an impulse buy for a Breville coffee machine on a site. It was one of those "countdown" super sales. One hour later after the purchase I contacted the seller and he refunded me the paypal... fortunately. But the site definitely looked scammy. I notified Paypal and Shopify. It's so easy nowadays to create nice looking sites in a platform like Shopify that will give a veneer of legitimacy. Anyway, that scammy site is gone. I wonder how many fell for this one. I should have checked how soon the site was taken down.

The site doesn't even use Shopify, some chinese ecom cms, shopify would shut down the site

When did you report this site to PayPal?

A few days ago

Clickbaity title.

To this day makes it seem a really long time, but author is here and claims it is just a few days.

With these sorts of scam sites, a few days is plenty of time to take everyone's money and run.

This.

It shouldn't be on the FP of HN, and it is not anymore.

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