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Debian 11 “Bullseye” Released

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Already covered extensively: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28180074

One of the most frustrating things I've been finding about HN recently is the duplication noise.

The same thing happened with the recent Apple stuff. We had a series of repetitive posts on the same topic, which only lead to a thread of hundreds of posts saying exactly the same thing. Its like, what's the point, I'm not learning anything new, just the same old story and the same old discussion.

Please guys, there's a search box on the bottom of the page. ;-)

I missed that one and am grateful for this duplication :)

> Already covered extensively: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28180074

Fortunately I knew what's happening in Bullseye, but it's counterintuitive that the referenced post is linked into the release notes, which is already available months* ago. Also, in my personal opinion release notes misses the context.

Also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28180747

"Is it released yet ? The download page still gives a download link to the version 10.10"

Someone (hint: not the linked comment) was too excited yesterday.

* Actually, years ago.

Industry attempts to control these kind of situations by using press embargos[1] - ensure that the news isn't public until all of the materials and associated marketing is ready to go, focusing the message and conversation.

I'm glad that that isn't the approach taken here (it's a more genuine, transparent and organic approach). Following the micronews[2] site posts was enjoyable.

Although yep, perhaps there could have been good context for newcomers to Debian from this announcement article rather than the release notes.

Fortunately I don't think Debian is under market time or presentation demands, so it'll roll on regardless.

[1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_embargo

[2] - https://micronews.debian.org/

> Fortunately I don't think Debian is under market time or presentation demands, so it'll roll on regardless.

Fair enough, I knew Bullseye is ready to be released (on mid-August sans if there's a nasty bug) last month, but I agree that the linked post should go into Debian's micronews about the preparations or into their mail archive rather than a (for someone who's not into Debian) user manual without any context whatsoever.

> Please guys, there's a search box on the bottom of the page. ;-)

I wonder if moving the search box to the top of the page would help.

I'm using HN on 13 inch laptop and I never noticed that search at all! Thanks for pointing that out.

I've seen comments in the past of people complaining about reposts. Maybe you should search for them before commenting?

I daresay hundreds of threadjacks on this same topic have happened in many threads in the past.

One of the most frustrating things I've been finding about HN recently is the duplication noise. Its like, what's the point, I'm not hearing anything new, just the same old complaint and the same old discussion.

;)

> One of the most frustrating things I've been finding about HN recently is the duplication noise

Given that people have been complaining about this for 10+ years, I think this "recently" can be classified as the Hedberg tense (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28109274).

We do our best! Certainly the principles are clear:

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Congratulations, and thank you so much for Debian!

It is awesome to see freedom and reliability continuously upheld by this great distribution!

Heads up, in-place upgrade from 10 to 11 caused a kernel panic on boot with the new 5.10 kernel. Having it boot with the old kernel seems to work but isn’t ideal. Haven’t done much troubleshooting so I can’t give much more to pinpoint but welcome any input on what to do/look for. My first time doing a Debian upgrade and it’s not a great experience compared to CentOS

If it isn't obvious from the panic or from dmesg streamed over ssh, it sound like you will have to try a git bisect.

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel/GitBisect

The panic scrolls on the screen I hook up, but I was reading I could rebuild it with kdump if I want to get that deep in to it and try to figure out more that way. I will take a look at that wiki article though and see if it helps out any.

I've never seen a major version upgrade on Debian go flawlessly -- reinstall is typically indicated. That being said, that you got it to boot at all after a boofed upgrade is really great work!

Historically, the upgrade process with Debian has been rough. RH & derivates always seem more resilient to the upgrade blues, to me. It's gotten a lot better, though.

Yeah — I was expecting something to break with the way the steps seemed to go, not sure why, just had that feeling. That said it is nice everything else seems to work so far but I am planning on most likely just backing up /home and rebuilding on Debian 11 or one of the new CentOS replacements.

With virtually any major OS upgrade there's rarely a reason to immediately upgrade and be an early-adopter. When stability is paramount it's highly recommend for most machines to wait a few weeks (or even months) and then upgrade.

This advice applies to Windows, macOS and Linux.

> My first time doing a Debian upgrade and it’s not a great experience compared to CentOS

My understanding was that CentOS does not even support upgrades between major versions, is that not true?

FWIW: I successfully upgraded 3 machines of mine yesterday. 2 Hetzner Cloud VMs, 1 dedicated server at Hetzner. I've never had any major issues during Debian upgrades since I've been doing them ~10 years ago. One time I hit a kernel bug [1] with my configuration, but that would also have happened without the upgrade.

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931574

Same. My (<1 month old, very fresh/clean) Debian 10 install used a non-standard MBR on GPT boot that instead of a distinct boot partition instead used arbitrarily located bootlists for locating partitions. After upgrading to 11 (bullseye) a few months ago I could no longer boot beyond grub2... unless I picked the old 4.19 kernel from 10.

After a lot of testing old snapshot kernels and bit of git bisect and compiling I figured out the support for this non-standard boot was removed sometime around kernel 5.6.0. As of right now I'm still stuck on 4.19.

So... if you're doing MBR boot still on modern GPT disks, be careful upgrading your linux (any flavor).

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