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One technical point I do not like that policy officials are claiming;

They are making the distinction that people who die vaccinated with covid, but not from covid should be counted separately. This is a fine distinction to make.

But are they so insistent in the reverse; people who died with Covid unvaccinated but ‘from’ something else?

It’s not clear to me this is true and is not helpful when this obvious question starts making the rounds in Facebook etc.

> But are they so insistent in the reverse; people who died with Covid unvaccinated but ‘from’ something else?

Do you have any source that shows unvaccinated people who had covid and died of an unrelated cause (say, ran over by a truck) are being classified as covid-related deaths?

It has already been established that covid is linked with multiple causes of death, and death by respiratory is not even the most common cause of death associated with covid[1]. Therefore it's reasonable to take a less exclusive approach to accounting deaths by covid, but I'd expect the same principle to be held regardless of whether a deceased was vaccinated or not.

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82862-5

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-man-killed-crash-listed-cov...

From the article you linked:

> The [florida department of health] issued a statement explaining how COVID-19 deaths are determined, which noted: "COVID-19 is listed as the immediate or underlying cause of death, or listed as one of the significant conditions contributing to death. Or, if there is a confirmed COVID-19 infection from a lab test — and, the cause of death doesn't meet exclusion criteria, like trauma, suicide, homicide, overdose, motorcycle accident, etc."

This instance seems like a pretty bad mistake to make, but at least it was found and corrected. Is there any evidence that this sort of thing is widespread enough to materially affect the stats in any way?

>Is there any evidence that this sort of thing is widespread

Yes, there's quite a lot. For example, check the WHO on influenza in the US between 2016 and 2021.

https://apps.who.int/flumart/Default?ReportNo=7

https://i.imgur.com/TXmc53y.png

What happened to 2020? Where'd all those deaths go? But I'm not playing this game again.

>there's no evidence of that

>there's no evidence of that being widespread

>there's no evidence that it had a material effect on the outcome despite being widespread

At some point you stop trusting the media that's lying to you or you simply accept everything they broadcast as unquestionable truth. I know which camp I'm in.

I’ve analyzed the flu stats myself and the lower prevalence this year is not on its own compelling evidence that the Covid stats are fraudulent. I’m honestly curious if there is anything substantial to support the claim that there is widespread fraud that goes beyond a general mistrust of the government, media, medical establishment, whatever.

Their data starts from Jan 1, so it's biased to underreport breakthroughs as a fraction of cases (since initially very few people were vaccinated), and doesn't show the impact of Delta.

This is extremely misleading, and not addressed at all as far as I can tell.

Strong concur. If anything this data collection, once you see the issues, inflames my own suspicions the vaccine is now far less effective, be it through time or evolution. 5% breakthrough hospitalized with data spotty, out of date, with underestimation by vaxed whom died with Covid not being counted 50% of the time. Vaccines work, even this one did originally, but as of this generally months old data, it's showing to be less effective.

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