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That's not at all what this article is saying. It is about Russian warcrimes, something that is clearly worth reporting on. Whether or not removing Qaddafi was a mistake has very little to do with whether BBC should be reporting about the Wagner group killing civilians and prisoners.

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Sure, but if there is going to be intellectually honest talk about problems in Libya then we should ... well. I suppose we might speculate that, possibly, hypothetically, the reason the Russians are committing war crimes in Libya is because the Libyan army was annihilated around 2011 by a helpful excursion by US/UK/etc troops onto Libyan soil.

The BBC article manages to go through 10 years of history here and appears to have missed the NATO invasion.

The BBC article doesn't talk about history at all. It's reporting on crimes that are currently being committed. Stop distracting from Russian war crimes.

Down the bottom, they have a little "Libya - a decade of turmoil" heading.

If we want to stop war crimes happening, NATO should hire me as an adviser. I could set them on the right path pretty quick with some simple observations: Invading a country doesn't make it more prosperous! Sometimes it makes things worse! All of the invasions in the Middle Eastern region have led to war crimes happening and it is a consistent pattern! Stop with the troops and the missiles!

But they won't hire me because they already know all that. Everyone knows.

It's better not to start wars, and sometimes troops need to stay, but a bad peace is better than a good war, so recent American withdrawal from Middle East could be overall good in the long run. We can remember Churchill, with his "Americans will always do the right thing, after trying all others", but things still go to the right direction.

Wasn't France heavily involved too?

> I suppose we might speculate that, possibly, hypothetically, the reason the Russians are committing war crimes in Libya is because the Libyan army was annihilated around 2011 by a helpful excursion by US/UK/etc troops onto Libyan soil.

Or we can speculate that the reason is the modern worldview of the Russian power as the zero-sum game with the west, where each problem delivered to the West is Russia's win, and excursions of troops of the other side is a helpful pretense.

> the reason the Russians are committing war crimes in Libya is because the Libyan army was annihilated around 2011

Is it? I don't see the causality there. I mean, Canada isn't comitting war crimes in Libya. Germany isn't. Australia isn't. They could, but they don't. Russia does, so there is some cause you're not accounting for in the above comment. What motivates Russia to do that and not the other countries? It isn't the NATO action in 2011.

If the Crips are keeping the hood safe, then the police bust them and the Bloods take over and disrespect everyone in the community, perhaps the police should not have left a power vacuum!

As I said here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28140897

I feel articles like these are our personal propaganda. "Lets blame someone else, while our own war criminals roam free".

Tony Blair, Bush, Clinton ... they went into several wars without any approval of UN, made huge destruction, civilian deaths and suffering... and nothing, they live happily ever after ...

You are not disagreeing with me. You are just bringing up issues that Western countries have had and saying "don't report about Russian crimes, report about this.". But those things have been reported on and discussed in Western culture since those things happened many times. So no, BBC, a news service, shouldn't rehash a thirty year old argument (Clinton? Really?) when instead of talking about Russian war crimes.

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