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Underrated post.

Seriously? You’re right with him. Contributing to misery. Maybe you need to have a long COVID relative to understand the pain. Or a death in family or friends. Is your “freedom” worth others’ loss?

a relative suffered permanent disability due to the vax

she’s young

maybe you need to experience that to develop some humility

yes, given that the probability of getting infected for vaccinated people is about third of that of unvaccinated, and once infected vaccinated spread the virus the same as unvaccinated (discussed at length with the links for example here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066844), forcing vaccine upon low risk groups starts to looks like an immoral thing as it does nothing to prevent the spread (roughly speaking the Delta's R0 for vaccinated is the third of Delta's R0 for unvaccinated, i.e it is like the R0 of the original).

Yes. Freedom isn't free. What you're seeing is a principled stance. We're running out of patience for nagging manipulative arguments.

I had longcovid for 14 months. I think the vaccine would hurt my robust immunity and I’ll never take it. If I lose my job that’s ok. If they make it mandatory I’ll flee to Russia. (assuming I see it coming before they restrict travel)

This. My son had Covid-19; had effects for about 4 months. Better now and is unmasked. Why are we not talking about those with antibodies? Why is the only choice having the vaccine?

> If they make it mandatory I’ll flee to Russia.

I assume this is some kind of joke. But on the off chance it isn't, Russia is getting very strict on their vaccine requirements.

Authorities in four Russian regions have made coronavirus vaccines mandatory this week for workers in retail, education and other service sectors, part of an effort to boost the country’s low immunization rates as COVID-19 infections continue to soar.

https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-coronavirus-pandemi...

This will end up only as a boon for fake certificate dealers. Those born in USSR will know.

I'm only half joking - Russia is the leader in vaccine skepticism and still has the lowest vaccination rates.

Even if certain regions mandate it for some workers, I think rates will remain low and people will oppose it. To be honest I'm not sure where to go. It's very hard to avoid the geopolitical arm of the US government - and the US government is hellbent on giving every man/woman/child the RNA shots. I'm not optimistic my life won't be ruined because of this vaccine.

Science doesn’t apply to you either? Like helping the virus spread? Endanger yourself and family? Cool. But if you pass it on to anyone, you’re liable. How about that? Prepared for that? Have means to pay for care and long term effects? Economic damage to society?

This site is so liberal except when it matters.

I’ve helped viruses spread my entire life! I have literally never stopped breathing. I also touch doorknobs! This was considered normal two years ago, now it’s a sin.

Science doesn’t apply to unstatusquo either? Like getting people to take vaccines that haven’t gone through long term trials? But if there are any side effects to the vaccine you’re liable unstatusquo. How about that? Prepared for that? Have the means to pay for care and long term effects? Economic damage to society?

Wonder if the vaccine makers are willing to be liable? Nope. How about the federal government? Nope. unstatusquo, are you a taker?

My brother in law died of a heart attack a day after getting the vaccine. No autopsy to see if the vaccine had anything to do with it. In fact they refused to do one. They really don’t want to know that there can be side effects. Weird that when my father died years ago, there was an autopsy.

unstatusquo is so insistent except when it matters.

How about you pay the family?

That’s funny I thought liberal had some sort of synonymous root with freedom or liberty or choice.

It used to... it used to.

That was just the pitch, now they are back to full authoritarian.

Did you ever go out without a mask before 2020? Influenza is also a potentially fatal respiratory disease which can be spread by asymptomatic patients. We have vaccines but some years they are as little as 20% effective. So you might have already killed someone by spreading flu. How does that make you feel?

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