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There has never been a vaccine with a side effect found after more than 2-3 months. Long term side-effects are not a thing for vaccines.

Source: Interview with head of German vaccination recommendation commission.

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mRNA vaccines are new, so there's no appropriate historical comparison, it's apples and oranges. There's more uncertainty.

Also long term side effects have been documented in other mammals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine-associated_sarcoma#:~:....

Your source is wrong. The Pandemrix swine flu vaccine caused narcolepsy in children which did not start showing up for a year after the first doses were administered, and it took authorities another year after that to acknowledge the link to the vaccine.

“An increased risk of narcolepsy was found following vaccination with Pandemrix, a monovalent 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine that was used in several European countries during the H1N1 influenza pandemic. This risk was initially found in Finland, and then other European countries also detected an association.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemrix

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcoleps...

You say "caused", but it seems that the research points to a weak correlation at best. Given a potential incidence of 1 in 50,000 in a disease/condition which is hard to diagnose, I think this rather points out again how extraordinary sensitive the whole vaccination vigilance system is.

Given the increased focus on the Covid vaccines, correlations as these would have already been found.

The estimated rate in children and adolescents was 1 in 18,400, which is still a very relevant number because it's substantially higher than that group's risk of similarly life-altering complications from SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Also, narcolepsy is hard to diagnose?

My latest information on the impact of long covid in children says that 1 in 25 are affected with serious health problems for more than 3 months after infection. This is from a Swiss study of school children.

It thought that narcolepsy much as fatigue is something that is easily missed when showing weakly. Tired kid?

>There has never been a vaccine with a side effect found after more than 2-3 months. Long term side-effects are not a thing for vaccines.

Bullshit and demonstrably false. The first gen rotavirus vaccine was pulled post-marketing because it destroyed the intestines of infants. Was on the market for a year.

But the adverse effects showed within a week [1] which confirms my point. Yes, it took long to act upon those adverse effect reports, but the effect itself occured quickly.

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11389295/

Well good thing there's not a huge surge of reports coming into VAERS or other reporting databases then, or we might have evidence a similar thing is occurring.

>which confirms my point

lol, no. You know that not a single vaccinated vs unvaccinated population study has ever been conducted, right?

VAERS is designed to detect acute, recent reactions and only acute, recent reactions. If it's not an accute, recent reaction, it probably never makes it into VAERS. That notion that long-term effects could even be reasonably detected today without a vaccinated vs. unvaccinated population study is highly questionable. The CDC refuses to do a vaccinated vs unvaccinated comparison study of overall mortality and disease prevalence. Don't believe me? Go on YouTube and you can find videos of Melinda Wharton making excuses to not do it. Sad, laughable excuses.

Also, you mentioned a German specialist: are you only considering vaccine rollouts in high HDI nations? Because DTP is absolutely associated with increase overall mortality in developing nations. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15082643/

There's also evidence that DTP yields higher mortality in girls: https://academic.oup.com/trstmh/article/110/10/570/2548939

Worth noting that DTP was the reason why the 1986 Vaccine Injury Act was lobbied for and passed in the first place. Vaccines were so "safe", that they couldn't be brought to market for a profit because injuries and lawsuits were so frequent. So, the government indemnified the manufacturers, capped the max injury settlement at $250k, made a special court for vaccine injury where all documents are under seal, and had HHS (taxpayers) make all the payouts. Sounds safe to me!

That we know of, just as we "Knew" these vaccines would effectively prevent transmissions and wouldn't have side effects.

They do effectively prevent transmissions, against the strains to which they were tailored. They still do a pretty good job against strains to which they were not specifically tailored. The problem is that not enough people have them.

The side effects that are able to be actually substantiated by credible sources have been generally quite mild and very, very rare.

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