If you're scared to do things around others even if you're vaccinated, then that's fine. We cannot accept a societal change towards mandating choices for people. It will be very, very hard for us to walk that back.
If you're scared to do things around others even if you're vaccinated, then that's fine. We cannot accept a societal change towards mandating choices for people. It will be very, very hard for us to walk that back.
and done: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
> then let people make their own decisions about what to do
As we see, they go to crowded places, unvaccinated, and spread the virus. I think that's irresponsible. Is that "ludicrous moralization and judgement?"
Vaccine effectiveness is changing every day. In Israel they're seeing 16% efficacy 6 months after the 2nd Pfizer dose.
Also, benefits are only one half of the cost:benefit analysis. Where is the public data on side effects? It doesn't exist because all we have is completely unverified VAERS claims.
You can't make an informed decision when you only know half the equation.
This has been a societal change in the making for quite some time. It used to be that if one were uncomfortable they were free to not participate, one's requirements were not an onus on others. Now people feel free to create onus on others.
Today people feel free to demand that others comply to their requirements to feel safe rather than relying on/increasing their own self protection and isolation standard.
Making epidemiological decisions isn't something that most people are qualified to do. I have seen the takes from random people and 99% of them are abject garbage.
What makes anyone qualified to make decisions over someone else's choice of what they should put in their body? If the vaccines are effective, then you can make the choice if you feel comfortable getting them and then being around other people.
I don't even think people realize what they're saying when they say "most people aren't qualified to make decisions". I mean, seriously?
The death rate of covid for healthy individuals is still very low. Even lower if you're vaccinated. We should _not_ sacrifice personal choice in the name of public safety.
Give people the data and let them make their own choices.
Science _is_ fluid by its very nature because it's a process, not an outcome.
But processes can be well-executed or not. Scientists, with all their human and institutional flaws, are still just so, so much more qualified than the lay public to make informed opinions that it's not even funny.
It's the same as with doctors: a medical second opinions is obtained from another doctor, not by yourself, because ultimately expert opinions may be challenged by others who have at least a similar amount of training and expertise.
Lay opinions have gigantic, brutal knowledge gaps. The gaps are so huge as to make lay opinions essentially useless.
I have spent an hour a day, every day, since the beginning of the pandemic, reading up on the scientific literature of COVID. I am overeducated geek with a computer science degree. Do you know how many reasonable assertions I can make about the pandemic? About as much as validating that the calculations behind the p-values of studies are correct, and nothing more. I can, at most, summarize and explain the high-level reasoning behind most epidemiologists' and governments's decisions, with the pros and cons that they themselves have suggested.
We are talking about over 600 hours of research as an educated layman and still no novel conclusions. To think that people who have spent at most a fraction of that time, with no university-level knowledge of statistics or basics of germ theory, can make reasonable assumptions, has no relation to reality.
The science-denying objections to the science has been ... remarkably consistent in shrillness, interneal inconsistency, and studied refusal to accept facts and demonstrated evidence.
So there's that.
It is as if some subset of humanity decided to start driving their cars blindfolded and the internet commentariat proclaimed, "their car, their choice! Spare us your ludicrous moralization and judgement!"
We mandate many choices for people already, including, specifically, about taking vaccines.
It's in the name of not spreading a deadly virus, not security with scare quotes.
Exactly. Governments need to figure out why people aren't getting vaccinated and fix those issues.
So yeah, multiple levels, very little trust in the "system" to take care of me and my family.