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Now they are just going to talk about it externally. Apple is fighting a losing battle. Pandora's Box has been opened by the pandemic. Now employees know that they can get the same amount of work done remotely and not be as stressed at work. Meanwhile, companies are desperate to pretend that remote work didn't happen because they need bodies to fill up their offices which they are paying for. But work culture is shifting for jobs that can be done remotely despite these attempts to shutter the discussion.

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I honestly think "Pandora's Box" is being shoved right back closed. The big banks have already going back to work and a lot of the big tech companies are forcing everyone back very soon this remote future isn't happening this year.

It's definitely being attempted but people aren't going to just forget how much better their lives were working remotely. I know it's not a for sure thing but that pressure is building.

I know of some HSBC teams who have gone full remote. It was meant to be experimental, but management has been really satisfied with the metrics so it's a permanent thing. Some banks are embracing it, even if not fully.

So yes and no. Those companies that are willing to allow remote work have basically increased their talent pool significantly.

The best and brightest won't need to make the god awful commute to a shitty job, where the managers don't respect the employee's life.

I’m not sure this applies to companies like Apple. Plenty of people will jump at the chance to replace those who quit Apple over a wfh stalemate. If you don’t have Faang on your cv you’d be foolish not to bite the commute bullet and take the role.

Some people believe tasks can be broken down and given to independent units of HR resources, executed remotely and concentrated back. Some others don’t. Some others believe it is possible but need to socialize, to belong, to talk.

Respect all of them.

If someone would rather work in the office, more power to them. But you can definitely see the hesitancy of employers to allow remote work over in-office work.

Because most work cannot be broken down into ideally independent tasks.

Here's the thing, if you are in a big company and you work with people all over the country, you can still collaborate with them via video and text chat. It would be the same experience whether you are in the office or at home. In those circumstances, those tasks can be done due to the means of collaboration still being equally effective.

This is just absurd, JIRA wouldn't exist if you couldn't break down work into independent tasks. You're effectively saying assembly lines can't exist. Tasks can be completed by individuals regardless of where they are.

I work with a company that has teams spread out across the country and we collaborate via video and text chat all the time. It's just as effective.

Considering how many of these companies have been able to operate perfectly, grow, launch products and post record profits over the last year and a half goes to show that that thinking is outdated and wrong.

I respect those that want to work in an office, I just don't want their desire + the previous status quo of butts-in-seats management to make me have to go back to a horrible commute.

At that point, it would be them not respecting those of us who want to be remote.

"respect all of them"

Apple is disrespecting all of them

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