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I set myself a smart goal. 2024. clinical trials for all will be finished by the end of 2023 at the latest and then, give it a couple months to wrap up and draft or bury and reports.

that is my basis. it's Smart.

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I think waiting for long-term effects to be clear is a defensible position.

What I don’t follow is that, AFAICT, full authorization is likely ~6 months from the date of filing (so November to January depending on manufacturer). So we won’t have long-term data.

Is full FDA approval meaningful to you? If so, how?

> I think waiting for long-term effects to be clear is a defensible position.

Unless you get infected, in which case you made a pretty big mistake.

So then your basically saying you don't want to get vaccinated or get covid. I'm guessing you probably also want to stop social distancing. in which case you would eventually certainly get covid if it weren't for the existence of the vaccines.

So the choices are: - Don't get vaccinated and everyone continues social distancing for several years, or until you get Covid. - Don't get vaccinated and stop social distancing once everyone else gets the vaccine - Get vaccinated

Only the third option is remotely defensible. The second option is borderline sociopathic and there are enough people taking it that it is far more dangerous than option 3.

Curious, how does Ivermectin fit into your worldview?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-ivermectin-covid-19-coronav...

I haven't looked at it much but it doesn't seem like a reliable enough treatment that one wouldn't want to be vaccinated. It seems like there are a bunch of different drugs that have shown to be effective but none are in the ballpark of two doses of Pfizer or Moderna

I don't disagree with you. In fact, I don't know what the correct policy should be. But we have focused heavily on preventing infection, and the vaccines have been amazing at this so far. Because now of variants and decreasing immunity, we know boosters will be needed, and for how long? Also some people are having bad side effects, like blood clots, heart problems, exhaustion, and even death, making others skeptical. No doubt it is safer than covid though. But this makes me wonder if we should have more comprehensive policy. Ivermectin seems great at treatment at various stages of covid once infected without those side effects, and also seems to hold up better against the variants. But it also looks less effective overall.

Dr. John Cambell's video on it is worth a watch: https://youtu.be/R0-90kvoQac?t=610.

As is the ongoing meta-analysis: https://ivmmeta.com

The right answer is for everyone to get vaccinated as soon as it is available to them, preferably with the mrna vaccines. Then we don't have to worry much about treatment because the disease will no longer be a part of our daily lives.

The terrible side effects you speak of effect an absolutely miniscule number of people relative to the hundreds of millions who have had the vaccine with no such effects.

Previous to this summer I wasn't so certain that the vaccine should be effectively mandated but after seeing the effect that vaccine hesitancy has on people I know longer think there is any reason businesses shouldn't mandate their employees and customers be vaccinated.

Appreciate the response. Regarding side effects, I picked those 3 because at least in my own family ~25% had those shortly after the 2nd dose, and are still ongoing. Their doctors think it’s coincidence, but it makes me skeptical how rare the side effects actually are. Open to any hard data though. If we could treat covid and stop it via natural immunity as well as vaccination, I think it could work better than ongoing boosters and mandates.

Unless you get infected

I upvoted both you and the parent, as both positions are valid. The difficulty of the issue is that a personal decision to vaccinate or not influences also the health of other people. This result could be weaker if Google didn't insist on forcing people back to the office - but they already made the decision so you either comply or lose your job, there is not much to discuss.

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