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Submission flagging is the main place it happens and I personally wish HN will not treat flagging as downvotes, or would just call it downvotes, or would have some sort of penalty for obvious cases of mis-flagging.

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FWIW every time I have ever flagged something on HN it’s been a fat finger mistake on mobile. Probably a drop in the bucket but worth considering that the signal is still polluted even with perfectly good faith user behavior.

I’m entering grey beard territory, been on HN for years, and I still don’t know what the [-] button does. Is it a downvote? Or does it just collapse the parent so I can read more without clutter? You’d hope downvote UI would be more explicit.

[–] collapses the comment and all children.

When logged in, I have upvote buttons on all comments, and I believe downvote buttons are enabled at over a certain amount of karma.

https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented/blob/m... 501 apparently

You don't have the ability to downvote. It's a down arrow right below the upvote (up arrow).

[-] collapses the parent, you're correct. You can also unvote if you change your mind on your vote.

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