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How much did they rake in from selling FSD vaporware?

This vaporware recently drove 95%+ of a 2000 mile road trip for me. If only other vaporware was like this ...

Each and every modern car has a driving assistive system. It is vaporware since it is still no autonomous drive as touted for, but simply an assistance to the driver which requires his permanent attention.

I have been much more impressed with HUDs in common cars lately. Now that, although definitely not related to autonomous is a huge help to offset the cognitive load.

Both your POVs can be true.

It's not "full" if it's missing the 5%. In that sense, it's vaporware.

I too use my adaptive cruise control on German Autobahn and barely touch any commands while on it, I'd say it covers 95% of my needs too (it's not Tesla). And I call it as it is, adaptive cruise control, not the FSD

Adaptive cruise control doesn't steer the car. That plus "Lane Keep Assist" is mostly what Tesla "Autopilot" does. "FSD" does a bit more right now but not nearly as much as has been promised.

This is adaptive cruise control to you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYW75nKPMoY

This[1] part of the video really gives you the confidence to use AP for anything other than adaptive cruise control to you? Stopping a spot before is okay, but the abrupt stop, in the middle of two lanes, understanding the correct traffic light but then still creeping ahead...

1: https://youtu.be/sYW75nKPMoY?t=1190

No, that is just horror

For that figure to be true you would have to ignore the requirement that you maintain awareness and control of the vehicle at all times. Autopilot !== FSD. Your car did not "drive itself," you were in control of the car 100% of the time — at least I hope so...

In terms of workload, there is a huge difference between monitoring a system as opposed to hyper-focus and constant micro-adjustments for hours on end. The car stays in the lane as if on rails, passes other cars and takes exits. It also stops at traffic lights off highway and then continues as it turns green (if following a lead car).

I know what I paid for. And I am getting my money's worth given how much it has kept improving. The new FSD Beta looks even more promising. It's swiftly reaching the point where it is a question of liability and regulatory approval.

I see my FSD as watching a new driver about 18 years old. It's not amazing, it's a bit jerky, but watching an 18 year old drive vs having to drive is still a reduction in mental stress. It makes commutes bearable.

I have a Lexus with lane-keeping assist and adaptive cruise, on a 9 hour trip on Canadian highways, I have had to disengage only when I am exiting the highway to make pit stop. Should Lexus market their "Full Self Driving" capability too?

Sure, as soon as your Lexus does that with just an OTA update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD_mF0OLJPs

Only 1700 miles here (Portland<->Yellowstone). And straight up: this was the most relaxing and engaging road trip I've driven, anywhere, in any car, since I got my license in 1990. Standing up after a leg driven by the AP is just magic: no stiffness, no soreness. It's no different than if I'd been sitting in an office chair.

No, check that. My office chair frankly isn't as comfortable as the car.

A bit off topic: every car sheets are heavily underrated compared to other chairs. Even cheaper car sheets are very comfortable for various use compared to cheaper chairs. I wish there are more recycling market for car sheets.

Many $ from happy customers, many autonomous kilometers driven, have fun in your Ford focus

I bought at 48k car in Q1 partially because of the autonomy potential. If FSD doesn't meet your expectations then don't buy it.

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