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Reading the comments, and weighing your comment, you say we need to have Android to be successful.

Before that you say “we need apps”, that’s the heart of your comment.

It can be successfully argued that we don’t need more of what we already have (aka closed walled, ad ridden, privacy off by default - solutions)

We (as in developers) should start believing in these projects and adopt them. Blender for a long time couldn’t match the big boys of 3D creation. Right now it’s really gaining traction. I see a couple of factors for its succes:

- a well managed project with a equally good vision that adapted to changes and demands. - a crowd that believed it could be great - a funding path to attract devs and hire them for a wanted feature - a different way of looking at these projects instead of “we don’t have x from this ecosystem” , how can we as devs be the forerunners in creating something that supersedes it.

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Re: Blender's success, I think Ton & the older contributor community see it being due to a new generation of creatives having free access not only to the software, but a wealth of high quality learning material. Regarding the sponsorships, I would point at the persistent outreach done by Ton himself at SIGGRAPH and other events year after year.

I was saying for me to want to use it I want Android. Not just for apps but also for all the extra stablity features.

> Before that you say “we need apps”, that’s the heart of your comment.

Apps are major reason for using my phone. I don't really phone or text people I use whatsapp, telegram, etc for messaging, Twitter and Reddit for content and a browser for the rest. Then there are covid apps, health tracking apps, etc.

> It can be successfully argued that we don’t need more of what we already have (aka closed walled, ad ridden, privacy off by default - solutions)

Try getting traction when everyone compares you to those things and those things are what people want.

> We (as in developers) should start believing in these projects and adopt them. Blender for a long time couldn’t match the big boys of 3D creation. Right now it’s really gaining traction. I see a couple of factors for its succes:

The issue I see here is that the it supports multiple operating systems and each operating system is a small team. Everyone believes in their version of the operating system.

> I was saying for me to want to use it I want Android. Not just for apps but also for all the extra stablity features.

That kind of defeats the purpose of the whole thing. If you want android you can just buy an android phone.

If they focussed on the bare essentials, and where the work could make the most difference - as in value add - this could be a breakthrough device. By which I mean - in a world with Pegasus, and the (deserved) lack of trust in the CIA, Chinese, Russian and Israeli intelligence services, what is needed is simply secure voice and secure messaging, and a minimalistic secured kernel, and maybe integration with Vault or BitWarden at a push. Any apps would be in some individual sandboxed, isolated web environment, but very secondary.

About Blender... I think the reason has more to do with the stagnation of animation/modelling tools since the monopoly of Autodesk has taken place. Maya seem to be getting more and more bloated throughout the years without any substantial features, while Blender's quickly gaining new ones while the whole program is being optimized and easier to use.

Blender also had a massive investment that PinePhone does not have.

...that pine phone doesn't have "yet".

Fingers crossed that the coming pine phone 2.0 or 3.0 sails through on enhanced/xtended funding.

This is where you start, if PinePhone positions itself well, things -can- change.

Investments do not come out of nowhere.

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