What's not practical with other BEV (Tesla, Hyundai Kona, ID.3, XPeng…) and that Toyota cannot improve (e.g by building a large network of charging stations)?
What's not practical with other BEV (Tesla, Hyundai Kona, ID.3, XPeng…) and that Toyota cannot improve (e.g by building a large network of charging stations)?
There's something weird about Ford making a mass-market electric F-150 before Toyota has a mass-market car. I know they're betting on hydrogen, but so many other companies are so far ahead with electric cars that it's a little worrying. The irony is this is the company that's most associated with hybrids.
Internally you will often hear terms like "golf-cart" and "toy" to describe them. They threaten the careers of whole departments and large established supply chains. This fear/anger often manifests as subtle internal sabotage to pure electric projects.
For example, this vehicle will be part of Toyota's Welcab line that offers factory-installed conversions that makes driving accessible to people in wheelchairs. Including a device that will lift your wheelchair up and store it on top of the car while in motion (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_rearview_of_Toyo...).
Tesla by comparison leaves this up to aftermarket accessory designers to figure out.
They are truly thinking about the "how does everyone drive an electric vehicle" problem.
In local prices, 10,000€ gets you about 7000 liters of gasoline, with 5 liters per 100 km you get 140,000 kilometers. The car would on average probably be ten years old at that point.
Many Priuses do tend to be driven a lot and for a long time, with a quick search I can see a local one that has gone over half a million kilometers. So there is certainly potential for long term financially positive electric cars.
-At 50k miles; EVs $600, Plug-in $1,050, ICE $1,400.
-100k miles; EVs $2,000, Plug-ins $2,600, ICE $4,400.
-200k miles; EVs $6,300, Plug-ins $5,900, ICE $12,300.
EVs use about 30kWh to go 100 miles [2][3] and at the US national average for electricity [4], that would be about $6,250 to drive 200k miles. ICE vehicles vary but 35 mpg combined is pretty average [5] for compact cars. At the US national average for gasoline [6], that is $18,070 to drive 200k miles. Plug-in hybrids use about 29kWh to go 100 miles and about 48 mpg [7]. Just assuming 50/50 driving on gas or electric, that’s about $9,610 to drive 200k miles.
So maintenance and fuel cost over 200k miles would be roughly:
-EVs $12,552
-Plug-in Hybrids $15,510
-ICE $30,370
So maintenance and fuel cost over 100k miles would be roughly:
-EVs $5,125
-Plug-in Hybrids $7,405
-ICE $13,435
Mass production never looks sustainable when framed in isolation, but in comparison to the alternative of fracking in tar sands and leaking methane by the galleon those mines aren't so bad.
Your video also misses the point. Firstly, the mix of where that power comes from will depend on where you live. In places where the grid is dirty, of course it's going to be dirty. In other places there are ample amounts of renewables available at many times to be used. There's also the fact that changing the mix of the source of the power is much much easier than getting people to change vehicles. If solar becomes massively widespread on the grid, everyone with an EV immediately benefits from it. If a new ICE is produced then it's not until the old ones are out of circulation that the gains can happen
This would be true only if hydrogen extraction, transport, storage, and use had no downsides or costs. Instead of playing childish "gotcha" games, why don't you actually articulate a cohesive point about why hydrogen is the best route forward.
That wasn’t me. I actually think that a hybrid solution is the best way to go, with most passenger vehicles going BEV, and heavy transport (trucking, freight, shipping) going FCEV. Your “once infrastructures will be there for hydrogen” is a big “if”. FCEVs are basically useless without extensive infrastructure for your average person. A BEV can be charged in your garage and would be perfectly usable as a commuter car with zero electric vehicle infrastructure.
Maybe “in 50 years” is not really useful for what we need to do now. I can go out today and buy a new BEV to replace my current car and other than the occasional road trip, get 100% of the same functionality. At my house, I am 10 feet away from the nearest fueling station. If I could even find an FCEV to buy, I would be over a thousand miles from the nearest fueling station. Charging stations, fast chargers, super chargers, etc. just augment and add to what every home has for a BEV. An FCEV needs gas stations like an ICE car, and there is a reason that gas stations are never more than a mile away.
For commercial purposes, it is logistically feasible to put in filling stations at specific end points, hubs, or defined distances along a route and make it work. Maybe that builds up infrastructure so that in 50 years, it could be a legitimate alternative to BEVs for average people.