The mild anarchy of piles of second-hand books
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I managed to build a decent sci-fi collection almost purely from charity shops. It was fascinating to me to map out the relative fortunes of charities just by their second hand book prices. Cancer charities always seemed quite flush, the shops well kept, the books priced in whole pounds. Charities for elderly people usually had the best prices (and for me the best selection), perhaps because much of the stock was bequeathed in bulk. I'd be sure to overpay for my bag of 20 novels for less than a fiver, it always felt like a steal.
My favourite finds are old chess books, especially old books about chess programming. One of my favourite ways to learn a subject is following its history, from primitive approaches through successively more complex and effective ideas.
It's always been infinitely comforting to me that even these cheap, dilapidated stacks of paper each contained whole worlds, days of entertainment for pennies. I got the same feeling about computers from a young age, the fractal quality of always being able to dive deeper, never hitting walls. In some ways I feel sad that these days I get caught up on authors not publishing the next book in a series (some for many years) or having to wait for the next series of something I've just binged on Netflix, or even being forced to wait for the next episode of something. Second hand bookshops remind me of a different (and perhaps more sustainable) pace of life.
damn that gave me a cool visual in my mind, as well as a yearning feeling. nice language usage!
It’s hard to find anything that’s not books 2 through the penultimate book of a airport novel trade paperback at my local second-hand book store. There is a bit of a “no one goes there anymore, it’s too crowded” feeling.
Because of how easy it is to look up the going rate for a used book online these days, a lot of books go straight to eBay/Amazon and don’t even make it to the store. Those that make it to the store are set aside to be sold online and don’t make it to the shelves. Those that make it to the shelves are almost immediately bought if there is any interest in them at all before you even make it to the store. The end result is that the books on the shelves are the books no one wants and you probably won’t either.
The same thing has been happening with used video games where the only games on the shelves are old versions of yearly licensed sports games.
To be entirely fair, that has been my experience at typical new book stores, too. I don't know how many times I've gone into a B&N or Borders to find books 2, 3, 5, and 8 of some series.
Incidentally, as someone who tends to move around a lot, this has also been a burden. Once I've bought a second-hand book and spent hours reading it, I find it very difficult to abandon it (especially if I enjoyed it). So whenever I move from a city, I inevitably spend a small fortune on funnelling them back to my Ma's house.
When I finally buy a place I plan to gather them all and have my own little library of used books, from all round the world.
I'm always torn on inscriptions. Interesting when quite old and both giver and recipient have long since departed, but a bit weird when a book was gifted only recently. As the proud owner of a two year old kid, thrift stores and second hand book stores are a great source for children's books, but reading a lovely written inscription from a loving aunt in a good children's book only a few years old feels awkward.
Personally, I'm of the no-inscription school of gift-giving. Add a note or letter, sure, but leave the book clean. A book that gets re-gifted, loaned, inherited, sold, and endlessly re-read is doing its job well, so don't burden the recipient with an inscription that may form a barrier to doing so.
I once found a children's book here, for 2-5 year olds, in Finland which was bought from a school library.
The library? In New Zealand.
How did it travel all that distance? No idea, but it's fascinating to think about.
Sometimes I'll also go to the thrift stores, buy some books in good condition that I think will be resellable (usually nonfiction) and sell them to the used bookstore for credit to spend on their better (but pricier) selection.
But I don't know much about how prices of these things behave. Maybe you expect that by the time you might be wanting to sell, those authors will have been forgotten and the books won't have any special monetary value any more?
I'm confident that since they work there, they get first pickings of anything of value - jewelry, rare albums/books, collectibles - before it ends up for sale. I can't begrudge them that, they offer a valuable service and all, but at the same time I'm jealous of others who find great stuff at thrift stores.
Of course, they overlook some good stuff and it winds up on the shelves, too.
I don't begrudge the staff from picking out what they want.
I also know that quite a bit of the donations are simply sent straight to the dump.
The new owners tried to make it into a Christian thing but didn't understand the nuances of the used book industry the way she did, and so it folded after some time.
Meanwhile, I have thousands of used books and I have no idea what to do with them. Old programming books -- what to do with those? Are they worth anything to anyone now? Fiction I can understand, but these seemed to have aged out. I think I have books on Java old enough to drive.
Mot really. Maybe some old programming, guide books, etc. are vaguely interesting for someone to flip through if they're old enough but, for the most part, no. And anyone you donate them to will just throw them out. No one wants my 1970s Encyclopedia Brittanica out in the garage either.
As an individual who doesn't want to maybe earn minimum wage or less selling them, the only real answer is donate your books in general. Understand that those that don't get sold at the library book sale or whatever will probably end up in recycling.
This is why I love the libraries and old book shops. There's a lot of value in the serendipity of browsing, since you can discover related monographs that one's search queries somehow missed. Also it's great for inspiration: you see unconnected things which might spark new ideas or interests.
> It feels increasingly difficult to access forms of historical material which haven’t been diligently curated for your good, filtered into bland homogeneity to suit some corporation’s agenda.
It's good to escape that algorithmic curation of one's interests.
I think I'm beginning to see a change in the way I function now as compared with two decades ago.
Before internet browsing allowed me to sit and decide "Where do I want to go today", I did physically have to go somewhere.
I have not studied it enough to figure out exactly what I've lost or the causes but I definitely feel that I have begun to live more in my head and less in the moment. Certain things though like browsing used book stores remind me of a positive thing that I used to do....
With digital copies I'll screenshot a page.
Not sure what is better, both seem to have their problems. Underlining requires flipping through every page. Screenshotting gives you more and less information than you need.
But library digital books are free and don't require transportation to obtain.
As a side note, read science, history and philosophy books. It's mind boggling how much better these books are than social media. If a book sucks, move onto the next one(or tell yourself you will read it later).
BTW, I would never write anything in a book. I wonder if I'm the only one.
You're not. I don't consider myself the final owner of the things I possess.
Underlining or highlighting can be interesting to see what the other reader thought was important. Highlighters can be distracting when they overdo it, but even then it can be fun to see where the highlighting tapers off were the prior reader just gave up.
But dog ears or times when someone folded a whole page in half is just painful.
I think my reluctance is mostly about keeping a book in the state I got it, since I do frequently mark up interesting sections of PDFs in my e-reader.
The works you can't find? Those are the ones people treasure.
Or, at least, the ones people won't part with for some reason.
I would say that you're mostly right, but it depends on the size and number of the print runs. If something's deemed a "classic" (frequently reprinted), or if it was a modern bestseller (mass printing), you'll find multiple copies and versions regardless of whether people treasure the book.
Despite being treasured by many people, there are tons of copies of "The Hobbit" in second-hand bookshops. 100 million copies sold will do that! [0] Yet there aren't many copies of "Tree and Leaf", and as you suggest, it's usually treasured thus not easily found. It was a special delight when I found a copy while browsing, as I'd never seen it before and haven't since, and I'm certainly not giving up my copy.
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books
Frank Herbert's Dune, for example, has been difficult to find in second-hand bookshops (even the old mass market paperback) because there is (and has been for some time... thanks COVID) a film adaption by a prominent director (Denis Villeneuve) on the cusp of release.
Someone had put shelves in the telephone box and it has a small plastic curtain to protect the books from the rain
It's still there since I first saw it over 18months ago, so I'm assuming the kids have not found a creative way of using the books for other purposes or may be they use it
There are sites where you can become member, and see locations on a map: https://minibieb.nl/minibieb/buiten-boekenkast/
https://www.wigtownbookfestival.com/visit/bookshops
https://www.wigtown-booktown.co.uk/bookshops/
It's about the same size as Hay-on-Wye.
2) Write book about losing money running a book shop.
3) Profit!
https://www.goodreads.com/series/303571-the-diary-of-a-books...
One particularly weird benefit is searching for your fave author and finding some PhD or other obscure fan produced work about the author (and/or their works) that would never make it into an actual bookshop, even a digital one.
They have some digital experiments to recreate the browsing a library feeling too (similar to the rash of Mac book cataloging apps that appeared on the Mac way back and may have kicked off the most recent revival of the skeumorphic design trend.)
Also, a lot of the older books on technical terms are far better because the skills on similar education levels were far higher back in the day. For example, today's Electrical Engineering books from the first year in College were on par on senior HS years.
I can see from at least one comment that there is some disagreement, but I've been frustrated for years that as the internet has evolved into its modern form, the 'heap-like' structure of Usenet/gopher directory/irc server LIST command has been mostly lost/deprecated.
Or you can just search a few random words on Google/Amazon/whatever, then pick a random title.
The article's other point seems to be that modern literature is too curated and bland. I don't know if the author's joking or if they're just not very well-read.
No need to read just new-publications, though. If you want to read Greek mythology, Euclid's "Elements", biblical texts, or whatever, it's out there.
Are you looking for a narrative set in modern-day America, but in an alternative timeline in which texting/smartphones weren't a thing?
I guess my main thought would be that narratives are written by many different authors, using different styles, telling different stories. So I'd imagine that there's stuff all over the place -- including narratives that heavily focus on text-messaging and others that don't mention it.
Incidentally, if you're finding some of the slice-of-life narratives a bit boring, @deregulateMed [brought up a great point](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27904980):
> As a side note, read science, history and philosophy books. It's mind boggling how much better these books are than social media. If a book sucks, move onto the next one(or tell yourself you will read it later).
I mean, I'm not 100% sure why you're asking about smartphones/texting, but if I had to speculate, you might find some of the stuff on TV a tad boring? If so, you'd be in good company!
As the above comment described, non-fiction tends to be far-superior for intensive consumption (while some light-hearted fictions, especially web-comics, can be neat compliments on the side -- xkcd and SMBC being obligatory examples).
If you do take to consuming fiction, the most interesting stuff would seem to be things that can be viewed from different angles. For example, the concept of "demiurge" has been commented on many times, from ancient philosophy/religion to modern variants, in manga/anime, serial-fictions, discussed in philosophy forums, occult texts, etc. -- so if you explore that, then it's not really just some simplistic linear narrative, but rather can be an exploration through many different lenses in many different media, adding depth not found on TV or in books.
Broadly, a lot of existential-ist conception can be a basis for such explorations. Like Heaven/Hell -- there a lot of kids might start with the Bible, then expand to other biblical texts (as a starting place: [Biblical Hermeneutics](https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/)), Dante's "Inferno"/"Purgatorio"/"Paradiso", the take from "Paradise Lost", and a whole slew of modern stuff all over religion, philosophy, books, comics, video-games (seriously -- some video-games have neat lore systems!), and more.
In such explorations, Wikipedia and search-engines (like Google) can be great because they help call attention to connections to explore. Because it's these connections to look at things from multiple dimensions that can add depth, beyond just the perspective of a single source.
Anyway, long rant short, my point's that if you're bored, then perhaps time to stop reading old-fashion fictional books in favor of some more interesting stuff. 'cause common narratives really are pretty dull.
(Alternatively, if you like old-fashion fictional books but just didn't like smartphones, sorry for the rant. =P)
Thanks for the responses!