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> Eventually this package will offer full autonomy, but the software is not there yet

Based on videos I've watched, this is the understatement of the year. Tesla is nowhere near having full self driving software.

So this is more like "pay $1500 for something you've already paid for, which we may not even be able to deliver".

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Just watching videos of the "summon" feature on Youtube makes it obvious how far away they are from self driving. In one video, the operator has his cousin "walk in front of the car" to see what will happen, and it doesn't stop. No thank you.

Also, I spoke with a Tesla sales guy, and he said, "don't pay for something that doesn't exist", which seems super obvious when you think about it objectively and step away from the hype.

The summon feature doesn't use the FSD tech stack. It's really old by now.

Maybe. But if Tesla had fully-working self-driving cars (you know, what people would expect from a feature called Full Self Driving) they’d probably use it to safely, autonomously drive the car to the summoner.

Apparently this is something Tesla is actively working on. Elon tweeted about it yesterday.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1416511905515048966?s=20

Been working on it for a while! https://elonmusk.today/#cross-country-summons

Can they upgrade it to do so?

Elon Musk recently tweeted that the plan is to unify self driving features including summon onto the FSD stack.

> pay $1500 for something you've already paid for, and which we may not even be able to deliver

Some Tesla customers have paid $10,000 for that. I think they should demand their money back and only purchase it if and when "full self-driving" actually exists.

I'm sure there is small print which gives Tesla the right to declare when FSD has been delivered. What they'll actually get is another matter.

No, the 10k wasn't charged until the last year when all new cars had the hardware upgrade, but nobody should pay for FSD until it's out of beta.

$10K is the current price. Early last year it was $7K. The price used to be around $2K. Regardless of the price, Tesla is selling a product that it may never deliver.

> Tesla is nowhere near having full self driving software.

I think they do have a 'Fools Self Driving' system though.

Either way, the customers are still paying for a package that not only they already paid for it, but it does not work as advertised. And Tesla continues with the lies and U-turns.

Literally taking them for a self-driven ride.

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