‘Everyone is dying’: Myanmar on the brink of decimation

Given the recent military coup and the history there, naming sources could literally get them killed. The medical assessment may be off, but I'm inclined to trus tthe judgement of an IR expert with years experience of the country they study on the security situation.

I won't comment on how they came up with that number or how accurate it is, but Covid won't be the only killer. As one example, people who have heart attacks aren't going to get prompt care either with the medical system overworked and over capacity.

That was one of the goals of the lockdowns in the US. Keep the healthcare system operational for all the other responsibilities it needs to fulfill on top of pandemic response.

I assume most of those are from non-Covid medical emergencies that go untreated due to the entire medical infrastructure having collapsed.

Highly recommend this Asian Boss interview[0] for anyone who doesn't know what is going on in Myanmar. She talks about the military coup, how militants regularly shoot at civilians in their homes if they have their lights on at night, how people are starving and live grenades are randomly thrown into neighborhoods.

It's a war zone.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVbfY0Qcpos

Entirely speculation, but one reason I can imagine is that if everyone is sick at the same time then even basic nursing is not possible, and often just getting fluids into someone makes a giant difference. Has there been a place/time during the pandemic where millions got infected at once in a high density, poorer country?

Easy, once the hospitals get overwhelmed nobody will be able to get hospital treatment. Everyone who needs to be hospitalized who isn't hospitalized WILL DIE. The hospitalization rate is about 20%. So right off the top we'll see about 6 million deaths.

Everyone who is sick will be stuck at home with family members, entire households will get sick, and they will keep re-infecting each other because, doubly difficult is the fact that there are multiple variants being spread, so it's possible to get re-infected with a different variant, the immune systems of the sick are overwhelmed and compromised. We'll see entire households dying. This is where the death rates really start to climb, it wouldn't surprise me if we see 8-9 Million deaths from this group.

Combine COVID with other illnesses and you get very high death rates.

Because Myanmar will be acting like a petri dish we'll start to see all kinds of variants get spawned, we could end up with a version the burns itself out. We could get a version that has 10-12 day incubation period where people are asymptomatic but that has a 50-80% death rate, a version like this could sweep back through the world with devastating effects.

Because some people are vaccinated and the vaccine is only 90% effective, we'll see people who are vaccinated who get sick. One of the variants could end up not be prevented by the vaccine, and that version could boomerang back through the world.

A lot of really bad things are possible.

> > One very reputable public health specialist expects that the population will be decimated by at least 10-15 million by the time Covid is done with Myanmar.

> The population is only 54 million. How could Covid possibly kill 15 million there!?

I think this number could end up being 'accurate' for many reasons:

* Their medical system is entirely overloaded. Dead people are simply being left in homes in Myanmar and people are being told to wrap them in cling film and try to keep them cold. The result of dead people in homes and streets will be more deaths from contamination.

* There isn't any oxygen for most people, and the methods they are telling each other to try are just insane. They are sharing information on Facebook about using tea and rice to prevent COVID, as well as using steam to 'burn it out' of the lungs. In desperation, people are more likely to try something crazy than to not try anything at all, as the act of 'trying' makes them believe they are helping.

* The military have vaccinated all of their soldiers, and only the close family of the soldiers (who would take it). Despite this, tonnes of their soldiers are now coming down with COVID within the ranks. I suspect this is because the military have been getting their vaccine supply from China, which has shown low-efficacy. (The 'samples' show high efficacy, but tested vaccines from batches have been incredibly low. Apparently China have been mixing their vaccine with foreign vaccines to bring up efficacy.)

* The military are literally just walking into houses and shooting everybody in there if they suspect they have any involvement in a series of bombings and road blocks. They are likely marking these as 'COVID deaths' so that they do not need to report they are killing people on the world stage, and to avoid local push-back. There is also the added bonus that they can receive global funding pretty much unchallenged for 'COVID relief'.

I guess decimation doesn't mean what it used to.

I'm comparing countries in death/million inhabitants, and now the record is in Peru ~6,000 and a few countries have ~3,000 and then the count goes down fast. Go to https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor... and sort by total death.

10 millions death in a country with a population of 55 millions is 180,000 death/million inhabitants. Perhaps I'm too optimistic, but 30x times the current country record is too much. I doubt that prediction is accurate.

What do you have to be smoking to claim a 25% population-wide fatality rate from covid?

Tragic fact:

Although in modern usage decimated means "eliminate a large number", historically it meant "eliminate 10%". So if the predicted loss of 20% to 30% of the populations is correct, Myanmar will be much worse than decimated.

I can't wrap my head around the idea. I hope it's not true.

This quote doesn't explicitly state that the 10-15 million will die from COVID but its certainly implied. That doesn't sound like it makes any sense at all though. 20% of the population? Why would Myanmar see 2-3x the global death toll on its own? I don't think there's any data to suggest a 20% death rate even with 0 medical treatment at all (and assuming 100% infection).

Is this just someone getting trigger happy with an exponential model?

Sounds like real humanitarian disaster, but how do they get a 50% case fatality rate in a country with an average age of 28. Doesn't sound very reputable to me..