I bet you would like to go back in time and tell the people that vaccinated against polio that they were doing it wrong too?
We are vaccinating to stop the pandemic.
India is an example what happens without vaccines btw
In April 1955, soon after mass polio vaccination began in the US, the Surgeon General began to receive reports of patients who contracted paralytic polio about a week after being vaccinated with Salk polio vaccine from the Cutter pharmaceutical company, with the paralysis limited to the limb the vaccine was injected into. The Cutter vaccine had been used in vaccinating 200,000 children in the western and midwestern United States.[76] Later investigations showed that the Cutter vaccine had caused 40,000 cases of polio, killing 10.[76] In response the Surgeon General pulled all polio vaccines made by Cutter Laboratories from the market, but not before 250 cases of paralytic illness had occurred. Wyeth polio vaccine was also reported to have paralyzed and killed several children. It was soon discovered that some lots of Salk polio vaccine made by Cutter and Wyeth had not been properly inactivated, allowing live poliovirus into more than 100,000 doses of vaccine.
> The inactivated polio vaccines are very safe
2. Do you have to worry about polio now?, no, why?
3. We have processes in place to verify vaccines, that's why you got news about janssen or whatever throwing away millions of doses due to contamination.
These are not vaccines but gene therapies that have never been tested. History proves risks do exist when new therapies are given to people.
I suppose when a normal vaccine like the novavax is coming out there won't be as much opposition.
Alas... not my business... I took the vaccine and there are no side effects. Same for all people I know. Same for countless others.
If you bring up risk, I think a much bigger risk is the virus destroying a good part of your lungs/kidneys/heart/etc... Ending up in ER and dieing...
And without everyone vaccinating it won't disappear. Either way, good luck
There are big doubts about it.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.27.20240309v...
Also: many people that look into the data of how therapies are going, have high hopes for Novavax, which seems very promising and works in a more "classic way". Sure some people will never get inoculated with anything but that's a different story.
tot cases/1M pop -> usa 104525 india 22200 deaths/1M pop -> usa 1872 india 295
There is no single country in asia that did as bad as the USA in the deaths department. What's now your next extravagant excuse? That the usa has been overcounting its deaths to scare its people into covid mrna therpies?
I know people that have lost family members there. They were struggling to get them spots in hospitals, everything is mess of corruption, under reporting, overflowed hospitals.
They're not even testing properly... See the airplane full of corona positive people with negative 'PCR' tests.
I can't tell how much of it is undercounting in India, how much is overcounting in the USA, and how much of it is that the friends and family networks in India count hundreds of people as opposed to the westerner ones.
It's also easy to have good numbers if you issue negative results without doing the actual tests and if you count the deaths as that of something else.
Hints of the false tests are:
- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/20/49-passengers-on-in...
- all of the ones that were positive had negative PCR tests... done in india
Similar things were happening in Communist Romania, hence my skepticism of India's number (back then - record "harvests", everybody well fed and happy, etc, meanwhile everyone was starving as crops were sold off on external markets)
Either way, best of luck, this discussion was fun for a while.
I mean, I agree that official data can be forged and should be taken with a grain of salt but come on. You can do better than this.
Also it has been proven that there is a strong inverse correlation between vitamin D levels and covid severity. If we assume that you are right and many more people died in India, how can you prove that it's because the vaccine that in Europe the mortality is so much lower?
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/advance-article/doi/10.1210/cl... + https://revista-fi.com.br/upload_arquivos/201606/20160600681... + https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S24054...