Analysts corroborate rumors that upcoming MacBook Pro will ditch the Touch Bar
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I find the Siri thing that comes by default in the top right corner or the right side of the touch bar super annoying (don't waste your time explaining how to disable).
Every single time I touch it by mistake I say "f!ck" or something worse...
If true that Apple computes the input data that goes into Siri from the Touch bar, if I am representative of a group of users, there might be a lot of swearing there...
*looks down at Thinkpad T420*
Oh, yeah, and the print screen/break/insert buttons like on a full-size keyboard; my fingers have muscle memory of them but my conscious mind forgot they were there. Yeah, those were the days!
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The TouchBar was a useless gimmick and a waste of space on the laptop anyway. Glad its removed.
Looks like it was a very good idea to skip the M1 MacBook Pro and wait for the upgraded version.
Why didn't Apple sell an external keyboard that included Touchbar? That would have given developers a much larger user base, and would get more of their users hooked on it.
I like the idea of a dynamic input system. But in my opinion the execution is just terrible. Sometimes when I'm typing something in the terminal I accidentally press the touchbar and the man page pops up, which is mildly infuriating.
There's a lot of good customisation options for the Touchbar if you use a third party tool like BetterTouchTool. It's Apple's loss to not give the user full control of it in the first place.
We moved from a brightness and sound ui that can be operated by touch and feel alone to one that required a context switch.
Adjusting volume on my new MBP has been a nightmare compared to my old MBA.
I actually added the volume control to the menu bar because, while slower to operate, that seems less likely to crash.
I just like it. Maybe it's because I can find the button in the touchbar without looking, but I don't really understand why increasing the volume in their laptop so very stressful for some people.
It’s like riding a mechanical bull.
If the latency were something under a second it might be reasonable, but it’s not.
It came in iterations, better keyboard then ESC key. Now touch bar. Funny how things come full circle.
Apple should have learned their lesson with the original Apple ][ RESET key.
The earliest model of the Apple ][ had a normal RESET key in the upper right corner of the keyboard, with only a slightly stiffer spring than every other key on the keyboard. When you pressed it, it went BEEP and dumped you in the monitor.
Later versions of the Apple ][+ increased the spring stiffness a bit, but not enough that it wasn't still way too easy to accidentally press.
And eventually Applesoft came along and it dumped you in BASIC instead of the monitor. But it also disconnected you from DOS and made it almost impossible to continue what you were doing.
There was a whole third party ecosystem of physical and electronic devices to make the RESET key harder to press.
One common one was a square plastic tube that fit over the button, that you had to stick your finger into to press. They came in various styles and colors and designs, and made great branded swag to hand out at trade shows.
Another popular electronic one was a little board that you wired up to make it necessary to press the control key at the same time as the RESET button.
The Apple //e finally adopted built-in control-key RESET protection. (Putting many little third party companies out of business -- not the first or the last time Apple did that!)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23068829
The original Apple ][ had a reset key in the upper right corner of the keyboard that was WAAAAAY too easy to press.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e3/1b/53/e31b53767fad646fc635...
They eventually put a stronger spring under it so it was harder to press, but it was still terrible. There was actually a thriving after-market for $3.25 "RESET KEY PROTECTORS": square plastic tube shields that fit over the reset key so you had to stick your finger down inside of it to press reset.
https://apple2history.org/history/ah13/
RESET KEY PROTECTOR, which prevented accidental RESET on the earliest models of the Apple II, was available for only $3.25 from Special Systems Design. This was necessary because the RESET key, on the upper right of the keyboard, was easy to press because it had the same spring action as the other keys on the keyboard. Various methods (like this product) were used to stiffen that key, and make it harder to press.
Special Systems Design ad for Apple ][ Reset Key Protector, from Apple Orchard v1n1 1980 Mar Apr, page 107.
https://archive.org/details/Apple-Orchard-v1n1-1980-Mar-Apr/...
Videx Enhancer ][ Reset Key Protection:
https://archive.org/details/Videx_Enhancer_II_Installation_a...
I remember back in 2016 that some coworkers said that the new keyboard had ruined their life. I've not heard anything that strong about the touchbar but I don't know a single person who likes it and everyone seems to dislike it to some extent. Perhaps them ditching it will be the thing that gets me to check out silicon.
Shame their palm sizes would remain the same when next smallest iPhone grows even bigger.
I believe they were among the best MacBooks ever built. I remember Paul Graham also chiming the same in a tweet.
This is so useful when filling in forms that require one or the other. Everyone in my office, Japanese or not, struggles sometimes to enter full width Roman characters and the correct “-“ character in addresses when required by web forms.
But the killer use cases never seemed to materialise and touch bar does not seem loved enough to justify extra BOM cost.
I do wonder what % of this move is UX and what % is cost optimisation.
And for emojis, although the FN-+type ahead works better tbh
> In a new report published this week, DSCC (Display Supply Chain Consultants) explains that the Touch Bar is the third largest use of OLED displays currently but that its sources indicate that Apple will “cancel the Touch Bar” with a future MacBook Pro.
So, it's still rumors. There's nothing "corroborated" and apple "will" not, but "might" ditch it.
Fully expect the M2 MBP to have a touch screen and possibly a convertible format.
Screens that don't accept finger input feel broken to anyone under 20.
These same people have clearly never tried using a laptop long-term with just the touchscreen. It's painful, not just in the figurative sense that desktop operating systems were not designed for touchscreens (even Windows which attempted a hybrid model, is still crap), but in the literal sense that holding your arm up all day to use it gets really tiring, really fast. Even convertible formats suffer the same problems, they often end up bulky and are never really a good replacement for either a tablet or a proper laptop.
> Fully expect the M2 MBP to have a touch screen and possibly a convertible format.
Arguably, Apple's already got that market covered with the iPad and Magic Keyboard. I think we would sooner see an iPad SKU running macOS than any MacBook going to a convertible style.
I don’t miss anything else from the old row of little buttons.
It's not quite as bad as it looks, I've only accidentally opened man pages and siri a couple of times but I've also never once used it and thought "wow this is so much better than having a row of function keys" so it's been all negatives.
My personal keyboard doesn't have an escape key either, you can just use the alt key or c-[ most of the time so that wasn't as big a deal as everyone made it out to be.