People may one day drill for copper as they now drill for oil
economist.com
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Another interesting fact is that the recycling rate is relatively high due to its economic value, "In Europe, about 50% of copper demand comes from recycling (as of 2016)", and "it has been estimated that 65%-80% of all copper ever mined is still available (having been repeatedly recycled)."
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_copper
[1] 1920s engineers believed the Electric Age would die a quick death https://gizmodo.com/1920s-engineers-believed-the-electric-ag...
Any more info on this? The Wikipedia source is a broken link. What would make copper not available anymore? Do they just mean it is sitting in a landfill somewhere?
Is this literally true? As in our non-ferrous ore deposits were all sites of ancient volcanoes? Or is he talking about magma in general that may or may not have been released by an actual volcano?
That line needs a lot of qualifiers to be correct. Unless they are using "non-ferrous" in some super bizarre way.
Otherwise no that sounds crazy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth...
That naturally leads to the heavier elements settling at the center, and the thin non magma crust we call home being made of the lighter non metal elements.
Which means all/most of the heavier metals on/near the surface today comes from volcanos or asteroids.
[I'm not a geologist, and have probably misstated something semi important.]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porphyry_copper_deposit Porphyry copper deposits are copper ore bodies that are formed from hydrothermal fluids that originate from a voluminous magma chamber several kilometers below the deposit itself. Predating or associated with those fluids are vertical dikes of porphyritic intrusive rocks from which this deposit type derives its name. In later stages, circulating meteoric fluids may interact with the magmatic fluids.
There's also this idea: https://www.earthmagazine.org/article/studies-re-examine-how...
The metals in most ore deposits are, originally, present in magma but concentrated in solution in superheated fluids (mostly water, but also CO2, H2S, H3SO4, etc., or any chemically stable mix of these). These fluids are expelled from magma as the magma cools and are mobilized through fracture networks and pore spaces in the ambient rock, both in the igneous rocks that have just cooled and crystallized, as well as in the surrounding rocks. As the fluids cool, the metals (and other solutes) come out of solution and precipitate as minerals. Some of these will be 'native' gold, copper, etc. that are mostly pure metals, but with the exception of gold, most of the metals will be in different oxides, silicates, sulfides, and other compounds.
These minerals may be re-dissolved at any time in the geologic future when conditions are right. This is usually when there is infiltration of hot, potentially acidic fluids deep in the crust from later magmatism or other geologic processes (the rock could be buried many kilometers during sedimentation or mountain building episodes, which will heat it up dramatically). The re-mobilized fluids can travel tens or hundreds of kilometers along fracture networks in the crust, and then as they cool, they re-deposits the ore as new minerals (not necessarily the same type). This can, and does, happen repeatedly so that the ore deposits of interest could be many generations, thousands of kilometers and millions of years from the original magmatic source.
In other instances the ores may form at the Earth's surface due to weathering of rock that contains the elements of interest. The most prominent example is probably aluminum ore, which is typically a rock called bauxite that was originally a soil formed from the weathering of highly aluminum-rich igneous rocks in tropical conditions. Bauxite requires an enormous amount of processing to separate out the aluminum, which is why aluminum recycling is so economical. The energy requirements for bauxite refining are enormous so the ore has historically been transported halfway across the world from the tropics to places like the Columbia River hydropower facilities in the US Northwest and the geothermal powerhouse of Iceland (this is part of why Seattle became an aerospace center).
The prodigal gold and silver mines of the Sierra Nevada are also the result of surface weathering. The ore (I think mostly native silver and gold but I am not sure) was actually in little flakes in river beds in Nevada some 40 million years ago when Nevada was a high plateau higher than the Sierra (which was probably not as high then); the rocks in the river headwaters weathered to sand and clay and little bits of metals, and the rivers spilled down into California and left big sedimentary deposits at the base of the mountains, big alluvial fans and stuff. Then Nevada got broken apart by tectonics into a bunch of rifts and the rivers went away. The California miners just had to separate the very heavy gold and silver particles from the much lighter sand and gravel using flumes, rather than crushing and chemically separating solid ore like we typically think of with mining.
The lithophile metals, which have higher affinity for oxygen, e.g. aluminum, magnesium, titanium etc. are not particularly abundant around volcanoes. Such metals could be separated from minerals only starting with the 19th century, so before that all the "non-ferrous" metals were obtained from sulfides or alteration products of sulfides. Some continue to use "non-ferrous" with the ancient meaning, not with its literal meaning.
The sulfide minerals and a few other minerals associated with sulfides are byproducts of magma cooling, either by phase separation from magma or by dissolution and precipitation in hot fluids, in actual volcanoes and also in places where the raising magma did not reach the surface.
There are a large number of important metals, e.g. copper, zinc, lead, molybdenum, silver and many others, which come almost exclusively from sulfide minerals or from minerals produced by atmospheric alteration of former sulfide minerals, so those may be said to be mostly of volcanic origin.
[1] https://www.britannica.com/technology/copper-processing/Ores
The US produces 600 million tonnes of C&D debris each year.
That said, the quality of this debate leads me to believe an experiment might be worth it.
Also manufactures probably throw a ton of copper (chloride?) out which they could recover copper from.
The two men, each slim with a goatee, stepped out into the enveloping silence of southwest Alaska’s wilderness. Before them stretched two of the wildest river systems left in the United States. Beneath their feet lay the world’s biggest known untapped deposit of copper and gold.
This Alaska mine could generate $1 billion a year. Is it worth the risk to salmon?
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-10-23/pebble...
I feel like "stop" is not terribly productive. Copper will probably be mined somewhere at some point, and saying "stop" just makes it happen in other places (which could be worse) or with a delay of ~10 years.
But if we focus on better extraction methods, it means we can keep domestic production, control the environmental impact, and improve tech that can be used for cleaner extraction everywhere.
However, there is development in carbon nanotubes, in the lab they already make wires on par with aluminium, so hopefully that will work out.
Aluminum-wound motors are apparently also a thing, though (like with aluminum power cables) they tend to be physically larger than copper-wound motors for the equivalent amount of power.
How do they keep galvanic action from eating the whole assembly? I've never been clear on that bit.
I could be mis-remembering but I also feel like it's more prone to whiskers/pest when soldered to boards, especially lead-free mixes. Either way, ends have to be crimped, so that's more steps.
Just generally more annoying and expensive to work with than copper.
Aluminum for wiring works just fine if properly engineered and can be cheaper once that engineering is amortized.
I would never buy a house with aluminum wiring for anything other than service cable or wiring to 220V appliances. I've seen too many homes with aluminum wiring where plugs, light switches or fixtures were swapped out for fixtures that were not rated for use with aluminum wiring. I picked up a FLIR camera that attached to my iPhone - was at a friends house that had aluminum wiring. Was screwing around with the camera and noticed some hot spots on some walls - looked closer and they were outlets. Felt the outlet and it was warm to the touch. Killed power to the circuit, popped the outlet out of the wall and the terminals were crispy critters! Freaked my friend out a little - swept the rest of the house and ended up replacing a dozen outlets, a handful of switches and checking every ceiling and wall mounted fixture. What a nightmare - many of the hot products showed obvious signs of overheating.
If handled properly aluminum wiring can be effective. The problem is it's often not handled correctly :(
My understanding is that Al wiring can be cheaper, but specifically in the housing domain, because virtually every fixture is copper based, it ends up being a huge PITA.
Extremely long-term, sufficiently high quality graphene or carbon nanotubes can theoretically have higher mass-specific resistivity than copper or even aluminum. But in practice, CNTs and graphene have much worse electrical conductivity due to defects and the need to conduct between tubes/crystal regions/bundles.
When an electric car dies I assure you it is being stripped of copper from any parts that cannot be sold.
Copper is expensive and even scrap dealers deal with copper separately.
In India, even street pickers know the value of copper.
https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&client=ubuntu&q=kil...
1. CAR/DRC
2. Afghanistan
Then this method may be the only way to get copper.
Currently it's more acceptable to set the ocean on fire than it is to protest against the ocean being on fire.
So might be a while
Safety must be a factor, since "death and liability" is part of the calculation, as you state.
But in general it will likely be unsafe for the miners and their surroundings, like any other mining method. Initially probably much less safe than traditional copper mining.