Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe
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It shouldn't take horrific accidents for us to suddenly decide to care about structural safety.
All economic systems begin and end with the lament "if only we had more money, we could do it right."
In this case it's hard to say someone else was to blame, because the principals had mostly not delegated the decision, they were literally deciding with their own lives at stake. If it were some principal agent problem you'd find a common excuse: it's the agents fault, they chose in their own interest and not the principals.
And yet somehow they didn't decide to repair the building. So yes, even though we had a bunch of free adults with years to make the decision and the lowest interest rates ever, they didn't fix a thing that represents a catastrophic risk to themselves.
No doubt someone will dig deeper into this and find some way the market was impeded, ideological wars being what they are, but it's hard to see how that would explain away the casual observation that people had the agency to avoid getting killed here.
Note that I'm not arguing for more government control over these things, that tends to create an agency problem. Just puzzled over how it could get to this, and a bit questioning how useful it really is for people to decide these things themselves.
I suggest putting this into context of all the buildings in the US. This is an exceedingly rare event. Perhaps the very fact that buildings are so safe in the US lulled the residents into a false sense of security.
For example, when an earthquake hits a third world city, half the city falls down. When an earthquake hits a US city, the damage is light.
I remember the Nisqually quake here 20 years ago. The ground was rocking and rolling making it risky to walk, poles were swinging, and buildings were swaying. But there was very little damage.
Back in the 80's I was in Tokyo and woke up to an earthquake. I mentioned it at work the next day, and the reaction of the workers there was "so what".
The common factor here is that the warnings were ignored by humans. Creatures that reached the peak of their evolution on the plains of Africa.
Whilst masters of the earth, our cognition just isn’t tuned to dealing with low-probability high-consequence events that may occur on a time scale outside our life spans.
In this case the negative event was a black swan event. The board and residents were required to correctly understand the risk of failure to remediate problems in this specific building. Who does an in-depth analysis of risk of building failure when renting or buying a property? Not a single person correctly identified that a collapse was imminent.
The other problem with rare events is that you can ignore them most of the time and not suffer any consequences. If there is a one in a thousand chance of something bad happening, and addressing that risk will cost you your job, or money, or your reputation then 99.9% of the time you incur that cost unnecessarily. That means that an entity that addresses risk becomes less competitive than a (lucky) company who doesn't.
If you increase the market size, then a lot of these complaints go away. Assessing risk of collapse across a hundred thousand buildings, like an insurance company might do, is much easier. If buildings were maintained by corporations that controlled many properties, people could avoid companies with poor track records.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/majority-of-fl...
We've needed new roofs for years. We got bids, but by the time that the HOA could meet, the bids already were too old. We voted to charge everyone based off the cost of the bids + 10%. We had owners that didn't pay or owners that paid too late. Our bids expired again and then we had some safety issues that we had to handle. So now we didn't have enough money for the roofs again, but likewise people wanted other stuff done.
It took nearly 5 years for us to finally get new roofs. Covid happened and prices went up again, but thankfully we had enough to cover stuff. Actually, only some of the roofs are currently done. 6 buildings: 3 done/3 not. <50 units total. I cannot imagine how much more complicated it would be with a bunch of units.
Oh and in a system where health insurance really cared about prevention, they'd pay for everyone's gym memberships.
If it’s free why not sign up, maybe someday I’ll use it. Maybe not
Edit: decrease the amount done as a percentage of signups. Perhaps the growth in signups would make up for the percentage drop in aggregate terms. Ie flood the gym with memberships and only find one more person actually working out
I'd say we could trade away the feeling that we could spend the money elsewhere for the lives of all the people who were killed.
I'd like to pay lower taxes, and have them spent on different things. Such as reliable infrastructure instead of 20-year wars. (And a pony.)
I can't believe we don't have any successful politicians who campaign on the promise of higher taxes and an end to all credits, deductions, and exclusions for everyone. It feels like it isn't sellable at all.
You don't know what you don't know. And disasters happen. After Hurricane Andrew, we learned from studying what broke, and made major improvements to building codes. Same thing will happen here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium_building_...
That building was reported under the same safety industry and regulations, and nothing was done. We know intellectually, just as before, what happens to buildings with structural failures: they collapse. The difference is that we quickly forget the emotional or cultural awareness of the problem, and only care about these issues for as long as that news cycle lasts.
Building codes are written in blood, as they have always been.
[1]: https://insidethemagic.net/2021/06/disney-world-massive-sink...
I found it was 432 Park Avenue.
Wow, even thinner than a thin cigarette...
I would not want to live in a building like that. I am quite satisfied with our one-story 1500 square foot house.
https://karstwaters.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/US_KARST_...
Found unsafe but still inhabited until another building collapsed. Yet more third world conditions in the USA.
What do people normally do to check if a building is facing a possibility of collapse in the near future? I don't think I've seen anyone poking around at most buildings I've occupied before to check for structural integrity.
I foresee collapsing buildings becoming more and more of an issue for fast erected buildings from the past 50 or so years
Slightly an aside but I believe that is part of the reason why leases in Singapore are often 99 years - because the government doesn't plan for them to last beyond then
Build new housing development
Sell all properties on it with 99 year leases
When 50 years to go on lease conduct on block sale (maybe developer pays)
Demolish and rebuild and restart 99 year lease cycle
This keeps construction industry active on scarce land resource
Keeps buildings fresh with latest materials and engineering principles
Gives property owners an exit on their 99 year lease so household wealth doesn't evaporate
Strategy folds when Singapore is no longer a desirable place to invest/build
Not anything this tall. Mid to high rises weren’t really possible until very recently historically speaking.
Also don’t forget that you’re literally hitting survivor bias here. Of course the old buildings still standing in Europe are the good construction, all of the others are gone.
Although the prevalence of old housing across the UK suggests (to me at least) that something systematic has changed. The fact that people can have an obsession with tudor, georgian, Victorian style housing tells me that things were built to last in a way that might be less true today.
As you say, the technology to build so high is a recent one, I note the Empire State Building is only 80 years old which is pretty young when compared against Notre Dame for example
There may not be anywhere for them to go. Right now, FL rental ads are getting 400 applicants per day per property - and there aren't many new ads.
source: I'm a FL renter whose rental is being sold.
I used to live in WPB about 4 years ago. It wasn't that bad to find a rental at the time
>I used to live in WPB about 4 years ago. It wasn't that bad to find a rental at the time
The rental shortage just started this year. As bad as it is, I see it getting much worse as eviction moratoriums expire.
Must be a good time to be a real estate agent.
> Must be a good time to be a real estate agent.
Yes and no. They're facing the same shortages as everyone else.
> The city is working with Red Cross and a local homelessness organization to house those unable to find other shelter.
> She said the 156-unit complex was occupied primarily by Latino residents, some of whom were very elderly. “They’re crying, they’re afraid for their future, afraid about what to do with the furniture,” she said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/02/crestview-n...
This seems unnecessarily cruel
My guess is that officials will find shelters full up, as this has been in play for a number of months now. At least the rental crisis will finally show up on someone's radar - not that they'll have any power to help.
It’s like a different world with these HOAs. Lots of corruption and red tape and hiding behind procedures. I hope these situations call to light the severe issues in this area with HOA / property management companies. Gross negligence seems to be a lot more common than you’d ever guess. This is based on first hand conversations to supplement my own experience.
For more local flavor, the head of the Fort Lauderdale Public Works department quit today:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/local/brow...
This is tragic, but hopefully a wake up call. Condos aren’t managed the way other large buildings are. Structural engineers are catching the problems on inspection it seems, but perhaps have too little power to actually make the call on mandating maintenance and/or evacuation.
Deferred maintenance by PG&E, well, the complete lack of maitenance caused the camp fire, the most deadly and destructive fire in California history, in 2018. And freight rail lines are handled much the same way—a major derailment at the wrong place causing catastrophic loss of life is just waiting to happen.
My point, if I have one, is that we only seem to care about these things after tragedy happens, but I am not sure how much will change.
The parties were ordered into mediation last May, according to a Miami-Dade court docket.
A parallel federal lawsuit between Crestview Towers and the insurer says damage from Hurricane Irma was $8.1 million.
Yes, let's evacuate a building that requires $8M of repairs.
The homeowners are out of luck until a claim is made on the master insurance policy.
This shouldn't actually be a problem because that's what the master policy is for but it sounds like something has gone wrong with making a claim.
Property owners will naturally balk at steep repair bills. Regulations exist to ensure that essential repairs happen in spite of that reluctance.
One example is SuperFund sites.
And a smaller example is large cities and things like bedbugs or other infestations. If the owner doesn't act, the city will call an exterminator and put a lien on the building.