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Building a surveillance state.

Want direct data devices locked down and proprietary (TPM and apple T2).

Want devices directly tied to the user. Want to prevent “hacks” that detect snooping or other low level background “proprietary” services that may be running.

My two cents. We are rushing to emulate china.

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The fact that people are barely talking about this and everyone just accepted it as a new way forward makes me sadder than anything else regarding the future.

I'm starting to think we are the odd ones from the bunch for questioning total state/corporate control over our communications/computation.

I am honestly worried.

Rather the other way around, China is rushing to import Spyware from the western companies for their own use

https://theintercept.com/2021/05/25/oracle-social-media-surv...

Oh yes. The oligarchs over here look at China and think, "That's a pretty good system".

It is actually a pretty good system for the CCP "politburo".

Upwards of 90% of the population of China are CCP members.

"Mr Xi oversees the party and its 92 million members — that might sound huge compared to Australia’s population of 25 million, but it is less than 7 per cent of China’s 1.4 billion people."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-01/ccp-100-years-chinese...

Honestly, that article has some shit "play with your emotions!" bits in it too but there are facts to be gleaned.

Its actually much less innocent than it looks like. Add an additional 100-150M for Communist Youth, a subsidiary organization and 150-250M for Mao Judend, a subsidiary for kids. Its called totalitarianism for a reason.

Just the same situation as in Orwell's Oceania.

mnouquet talks about the Inner Party

> Upwards of 90% of the population of China are CCP members.

Over 90% of the population of China are CPC non-members (membership numbers I can find are consistently under 100 million).

100% are subject to rule by the Communist Party of China, though.

Looks like there is a need of explanation for that term.

Politburo (= "Political Bureau") of Central Committee of Communist Party of Soviet Russia. Also, a Politburo member becomes The Chairman.

In a nutshell, ringleaders of ringleaders of Bolsheviks. *MUCH* more equal than the others, naturally.

And naturally, it's blasphemous on HN to speak about it.

Kind of. They look at China and see a new super power emerging rapidly. Attempting to copy what has worked in china ASAP.

Neglecting the fact that this is only possible with market access of free countries.

It's the classic "Vampire problem".

Vampires are immortal and sexy. Everybody wants to be a vampire. But if everybody becomes a vampire then it doesn't work anymore.

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