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Canada is a warning: more and more of the world will soon be too hot for humans

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64 pointsmakerofspoons30 comments

Interesting to see how people actively work to increase their ignorance on this topic. Was watching this[1] about doxastic anxiety and could only think about climate destruction.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATITdJg7bWI

Note, this is mainly in BC. Canada is incredibly large, with many different climates. So while BC is suffering from these heatwaves, places like Montreal are at 20C and low humidity.

Montreal get heatwaves each year too, reaching 37 celcius last year. Not nearly as high as the current heat wave in the west but dangerous too.

That was then. Some major events continue in B.C., of course, but this particularly bad heat dome phenomena is now being felt all the way from B.C. to Northern Ontario, the Yukon, and the NWT.

Where will the world not be too hot to live in the next 50-100 years?

Antarctica? Marie Byrd Land will have melted land areas soon, in the next few decades. By 2100 it'll be completely uncovered. And the Antarctic Treaties expire in 2047...

https://www.howhotwillitget.com, I made an overview of future climate scenarios of each country worldwide with the latest predictions by the World Bank, maybe this is what you are looking for. :)

This is exactly what I’ve been looking for! Thanks for sharing it, have a tip jar? You might also consider posting it as a Show HN post [1].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/show

Thank you very much! Please consider donating the tip you meant to give to this Dutch environmental organization: "https://milieudefensie.nl/actie/doneer." They are the ones who brought the case against Shell in court, forcing the company to actively reduce its emissions by 2030.

Regarding posting it on Show HN: I attempted it but received no responses; nonetheless, I will try again with a better UI/UX someday, as there can be some improvement for our crowd over here. If anyone is willing to help expand the platform, feel free to message me on Twitter.

This is great work and you are to be commended, but I'm not quite sure what to make of the data... I live in a part of the USA that has been above 100F for the past week and will be again over the next few days (we got a brief respite overnight and today). When I look at the national average of the US in your tool though... it would actually be a slight improvement over my area if those were the averages. As I scanned through a couple countries at random, there were several where I thought "gee, that wouldn't be terrible." So, I don't know if sub-country data is available, but it might make it a bit more real, at least for countries that span large geographic areas.

Thanks for the constructive critic! It's the thing I hear often, the data source works with averages, but I believe I should mail them to get more of an understanding.

This is great! FYI you've got Summer and Winter swapped on the Australia page, and presumably all other Southern Hemisphere countries.

WTF??

All the time - it's about humans! We're not the only species on this planet! We don't exist in a vacuum - there is such a thing as an ecological network!

What's the fallout for everything else? How many mammals, birds, reptiles, insects died in the recent heatwave? How will this shape ecosystems and biomes?

This kind of thinking is part of the problem...

Looks like we don't even care about our own future, we're sadly a long way from what you're suggesting

Of course it's about humans. It's always about humans. It happens to be advantageous for us to maintain healthy ecosystems and biomes, but without humans, those things have no meaning.

If a dog or a dangerous wild animal attacks an innocent human child, the point-of-view of the dog or wild animal is never considered, even if it acted in self-defense; it is automatically at fault, and destroyed or relocated to prevent further injury. This is the same approach that we as a species treat everything, for good reason. We've come to recognize that we need the rest of nature and now try in some way to preserve it (not enough in my opinion), but don't forget that we do so for selfish reasons.

Doesn’t mean it needs to continue. I think the point is our disregard for anything else but ourselves is what got us into this mess. Arguably it is the key to getting us out of this mess.

Having empathy with all living things, no matter their perceived importance is one of the most noble pursuits I can think of…

One issue we have is a lack of transparency on the things we consume, now that would be a real eye opener for people.

If our species survives, this sentiment may become more widespread. If we have to wait for this sentiment to become more common before we, as a species, do anything about climate change, we will be doomed.

One might have thought that a healthy regard for one's own descendants would have provided the motivation to address climate change.

So, downvoted?

The 'Anthropocene' is not just an era of stupidity or ignorance.

It's disgusting arrogance.

Here is the first definition of hubris I found: "(in Greek tragedy) excessive pride towards or defiance of the gods, leading to nemesis."

Is that really true? I mean human have no problem living in Arizona during the summer. Or countries in the equator where wet bulb temperature hover around 27C.

I imagine Canada would be more like the mid latitudes of the US if we saw a 2-4C increase in average temp.

Much less humidity in AZ although it is easy to succumb to the heat if you don't take precautions. In BC you have a completely different environment where a lot of the heat is attributed to/through humidity. It can be 25C but feel like 35C due to the Humidity. AC is not something people have required in these areas. If they are still under a semi lock down, than they may not be able to seek shelter in shopping malls, etc.

I can't imagine what would happen in Toronto if it got this hot, they are still in a nutty lock down type of scenario (16 City wide Infections in a city of 2 million and it remains almost closed) where shopping malls are only allowed 25% capacity. Considering many folks still don't have AC, it could get interesting.

As in reality sets in and whatever policy there may be for Covid will have to go and restrictions removed.

It's quite a novel idea to link vaccination percentage with reopening, I'm quite glad that a similar plan is not used where I live.

https://www.ontario.ca/page/reopening-ontario

Especially considering that it’s summer too. I’m from Ontario and you see counties with 2 million people delay opening because of 25 daily cases.

I'm in Texas and it's making the news here. There are international news sites that are already talking about how crazy it is and that no other place in the world has been closed so long under lock downs? It's starting to resemble the Soviet Union or something, you would think the people would tell the Government to go fuck themselves by now.

It's a mystery to me too.

Texas actually seems to have the most reasonable handling of Covid this year, where you open up earlier rather than later.

It would be fitting for Biden to admit this statement back in March was plain wrong, maybe even apologize for it:

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/03/biden-texas-mask-ord...

That is what the facts tell us:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

It is interesting that you bring up wet bulb temperature, when TFA answers your question using just that measurement. Since you must have missed it in your initial reading, search TFA for "35C", which the wet bulb temp that has been briefly observed in some parts of the world over the last couple of years.

> I mean human have no problem living in Arizona during the summer.

If all you do is sleep in an air conditioned home, commute in an air conditioned car, and work in an air conditioned office, then sure, we have "no problem".

They're soon going to "have (a) problem" when the Colorado River starts to have the predicted shortages this year. Those golf courses might have to skip a watering or two.

Well article says “too hot for humans” so apparently that’s not true.

Typical Guardian fluffy logic. Long on theoretical solutions, short on practicality, the kind of logic privileged Westerners are so fond of.

The only way to deal with exercise heat is to redesign buildings, living and work environments to cope with the heat.

Climate alarmists always pretend that human beings haven't seen such events and learned to adapt to them. They have, the important thing is learn from the past, not blame everything on CO2 warming.

The only way to cope with a warming climate is to expend lots more energy in the near term handle the changes in the future, and if you are going to avoid CO2, nuclear is the way forward or something better comes up,

The Green Energy plan is mostly bogus, and that is easy to tell from the kind of companies which have jumped on the bandwagon seeing as leopards don't change their spots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE

Yes, it's much cheaper to invest into your domestic military and strengthen your borders. Even in the extreme case where the carrying capacity of earth decreases we just adapt the human population toward the carrying capacity of the earth.

Unfortunately we are in a weird dilemma where using the education of women in foreign countries as contraception could lead to a desire to cross our borders which would require additional military expenditures.

We should applaud China for being the world leader in sterilization and build sterilization centers in Africa and India to follow their example. Prevention is better than the cure (bullets and cremation are expensive).

All these climate alarmists are stupid. All the important people (me) will be fine.

In 2090 Germany will be a nice warm country with 22°C instead of 19°C. Just take a look at this website: https://i.imgur.com/lJJsMiT.png. (poes law)

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