And I know individuals who have been at a company who have done it for a short time or a while.
But is there a list of US based companies that offer a 4 day work week or less? I did some googling and didn't find much.
Likely sub-100% work time is something you'd have to negotiate with your managers after spending some time at a company, not right from day 1. One case I've seen - a guy working 50% between google and PhD (working on alternating weeks) flat out said there's no way in hell he'd get hired into this kind of arrangement - it was only after building trust with management and moving to a team with lower workload/stress.
It shouldn't be based on time
Salary is an aggregate solution that works as insurance for both workers and employers to not have to do the above calculations.
Why aren't they being compared to 80% of the others' accomplishments? This seems like it is designed to get rid of those who want the 80% schedule. Has this been addressed by management?
Source: I work part-time at Google (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17133830)
That's why in practice google's famous "20% time" is 120% time and on other hand it also has a lot of coasters working at half pace while cashing in 100% pay.
An 80% worker with paid benefits doing just 80% productivity provides less productivity value per comp $ to the employer than a 100% worker doing 100% of the work due to the cost of benefits.
So a smart employer realizes that for it to make value sense, an 80% worker with benefits better be providing more than 80% productivity.
Now if you are an exempt salaried employee, all bets are off. Whether you work 20 hours or 80, you get paid the same and are expected to deliver 100% value.
Well you would be delivering 100% of the possible value you could in 80% of the time. The same as someone who works 6 days a week would have a comparably higher output than their peers working 5 days. Are the employees who work 48 or more hours a week being compared to those who work 40 hours as well?
At 48 hours you have a similar situation, if you are hourly those 8 hours cost the company an extra 50% per hour so you better be providing appropriate value for the overtime rate they are paying you.
Google developers start at $191k per year. The market price of Platinum health care plans for a 30-year-old single person in Google's Zip code is ~$1000/month. So that's ~6%.
That's nothing to sneeze at, but it's also not huge. If they drop to an 80% schedule and 80% comp, health care's now ~8% of their salary. That's something that Google can surely handwave away.
For companies that can't, I think there are reasonable solutions. The obvious one is that they scale their health care subsidy with the hours worked. In many places employees pay a percentage of their health insurance costs already; it's not hard to change those numbers for people on less-than-full-time schedules.
Original Show HN is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26900533
The really surprising thing for me was how willing my company was to accommodate me once I made it clear I wanted to reduce hours - I think people have a lot more negotiation power than they think they do
I would love to add more to the list, or if you know of any that aren't on there, please open a pull request!
These are all companies that have a standard 32 hour week with no reduction in pay.
In my country most companies offer 35 hours/week jobs, the country's average is 33 hours and it's illegal to work more than 48 hours including extra hours, but I know that in countries like Germany, the Netherlands or France is less than 30 (Germany is 26 if I am not wrong).
It's mostly public jobs and white collars here, I work as a software engineer for a large insurance company and the standard insurance contract is 33 hours a week, I have a different contact and nominally I should do 40 hours, but working from home I do about 30, full salary (nobody checks the hours anymore).
During the pandemic I had no chances of going on holiday, so I kept working and I still have 40 days of paid vacation left from 2020+2021.
It's pretty standard here.
Actually, no - but it'd be nice.
'round here, most of the time you're looking at 40-hour weeks and 35 if it is a larger and/or unionized company.
Of course, everything else (like 4 day work-weeks, wfh, whatnot) is up for negotiation.
Still, the current average is 34,8 hours as of 2019[0], that already counts part-time workers in.
There's also a table that lists other countries for comparison - Europes average is 37hrs/week, with Turkey being at the top with 45,4 hours a week.
Also, it mentions that for comparisons' sake, you really shouldn't mix part time with full-time workers...
[0]https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Arbeit/Arbeitsmarkt/Qualit...
No, in France the usual is 35. It’s possible to work more in exchange for RTTs (additional vacation days) but the norm is 35.
Italy has an average of 33, but the most common contract is for 36 hours (8x4 + 4x1)