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Windows 11

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> [...] Windows 11 provides a calm and creative space [...]

Judging from past experiences, Windows is anything but calm. Popups, notifications and prompts galore and a start menu that rivals a circus.

... and ads

...and updates that violate everything we are taught about consent

they are integrating teams, onedrive, office, microsoft 365 stuff directly into windows 11. Doesn't that spark anti-trust concerns? Think about Microsoft was fined for anti-trust for integrating internet explorer into windows and making it the default. Looks like every platform holder is just using the dominance of their platform to push their other stuff.

I think Microsoft can just point to Apple and Google at this point. Microsoft 365 has a massive competitor in Google Workspace, and Google controls Android and Chrome, with ChromeOS being used by the majority of American K-12 students.

Interesting that it requires a TPM, I wonder how many Windows 10 devices won’t be able to upgrade? Bitlocker on by default?

Pretty good choice IMO.

<1% of custom built PCs will be able to upgrade, lol. nobody I know with a desktop they built themselves has a TPM.

They're £15-20 on Amazon. If you custom built your PC, you can figure out how to buy and install one. Thanks for reminding me.

all modern AMD and Intel CPUs/chipsets have a TPM built in. The connector is for a TPM you add yourself.

Funny how they use abstracted macbook dummy laptops for their previews. And basically introduce round-corner MacOS design.

They've also started using that Apple "Frosted window" effect. It looks terrible if you ask me. It's so 2010s.

it's basically Aero. and the widgets are basically the Vista sidebar. what's old is new I guess.

my main beef is moving the start button to the center of the screen. that makes it less accessible for mouse users -- you can't just wack your mouse over to the bottom left anymore. I use windows key, but it still seems like an accessibility fail.

I read in another article that there's a Settings option that lets you move the Start button back to the left (which I agree is where it should be).

Will be removed in the next release. Together with settings. Who needs settings. Our telemetry shows that it is not used.

To be fair dockbars, finder search, rounded corners and flat UI were all on Windows XP and Linux customization scene long before they were attributed to MacOS. What's old is new again.

> Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0

This is something that is often disabled by default in your BIOS (assuming you have one included/connected, you can enable it - check UEFI settings.)

Here's the tool to check your hardware: https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/d/d/1dd9969b-bc9a-...

Most gaming boards don't come with a TPM chip right?

No idea about "most", but for example, I have an Asus Prime X470 Pro. It has a 14-pin TPM connector, but the module is separate. Looks like they are not expensive[0], but... sold separately.

However there is also an fTPM setting available (apparently built in, but I haven't tested that yet.)

[0] https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1237446-REG/asus_tpm_...

I've only ever seen gaming mobos with those 14-pin TPM connectors and no module. There's also really no reason to use a TPM module, as far as I can tell.

Full disk encryption for one thing.

> Full disk encryption for one thing.

Full disk backdoor. TPM has a long history of backdoorig.

Earlier discussion of Windows 11, currently on the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27618805

Also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27619354

Interesting store development.. “We’re also announcing a progressive change to our revenue share policies where app developers can now bring their own commerce into our Store and keep 100% of the revenue – Microsoft takes nothing. App developers can still use our commerce with competitive revenue share of 85/15.”

Wow, it's actually really hard to use the back button from this URL in Firefox. Anyone else notice this?

Is this a free upgrade? or a paid one?

Windows 10 support ends on October 14, 2025

Free for at least one year, but they reserve the right to cancel the free option after one year

The "limited time" free upgrade to Windows 10 apparently still works to this day, so I strongly doubt Windows 11 will be any different.

Yeah. Uncle Sam wants you.

This is probably an intentional oversight by Microsoft. Nobody wants to have to deal with Windows 7 anymore, so leaving an option for people to upgrade for free allows the continued obsolescence of that OS (yes, I know the official support was discontinued, but it still looks bad on Microsoft if a bunch of Windows 7 devices suddenly get exposed to an 0-day).

I don't want to have to deal with windows10.

Is that true? I knew about the “accessibility” workaround but thought they closed the door on that move as well.

Sure it is. Just enter a Windows 7 or 8 key and the installer will proceed, showing how that time-limited opportunity for a free upgrade story was always a farce and a scummy marketing lie.

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