You ask me "what do you think of suffering?". I honestly have no clue what you expect as a response. Yeah, it's bad. I don't want people to suffer. What is your point? What has this got to do with what I was saying?

And again, the only person who keeps bringing up Joe Rogan is you. What has this got to do with anything? Can we just focus on actual points being made here?

My OP was about how impossible it is to have sensible debates about trans issues without being lambasted. Where is this thread going now? What direction are you taking it?