I never groped anyone.
These depressed people use "consequences" as a brief hit of superiority, allowing them to escape the reality of their own failed lives.
...and as quickly as it picks them up, it is gone again, and they then need to search for that next dose of "justice".
Complexity, self-reflection, nuance, are all distractions from what is an emotional addiction.
And like any addiction, you cannot satiate it by giving it more of what it craves. Apologies attract more of them, and they go back to hit the apologizer for more "consequences", like trying to get the last little hit, even if they can see there's nothing left.
Don't engage these people. They are worthless.
...and that mob is not psychologically healthy. The online vengeance mob is a toxic and destructive part of our world.
Sexual harassment is an enormous problem in every industry. People who just want to do good work and be a part and contribute become targets for predators who objectify, diminish and harass. Culturally it became not okay and people realized they were heard and that these people could have consequences.
A lot of people get riled up about such cases because they have faced similar situations themselves [see also how instances of racism/bigotry can become viral -- it taps into a latent anger]. It becomes cathartic and representative. A movement.
And the creeps of the world surely must have taken notice by now. The imagined Lothorios can stick to actual social events because it's pretty established that it's not a good idea at work, or anything remotely work related (including trade shows and conferences).
This is the long winded version of "no you".
> Sexual harassment is an enormous problem in every industry. People who just want to do good work and be a part and contribute become targets for predators who objectify, diminish and harass. Culturally it became not okay and people realized they were heard and that these people could have consequences.
You think OP is guilty here, with no basis.
> A lot of people get riled up about such cases because they have faced similar situations themselves [see also how instances of racism/bigotry can become viral -- it taps into a latent anger]. It becomes cathartic and representative. A movement.
It's cathartic - exactly. It is for THEM. No one expressing their outrage truly cares about the victims - it is just porn.
> And the creeps of the world surely must have taken notice by now. The imagined Lothorios can stick to actual social events because it's pretty established that it's not a good idea at work, or anything remotely work related (including trade shows and conferences).
You think OP is guilty here, with no basis.
I'd say it's much more accurate than the weird caricature you propped up.
> You think OP is guilty here, with no basis.
A bunch of people cited problem. Employer fired him. I don't assume he's guilty, but I have absolutely no reason to think him innocent, or somehow the victim in all of this.
Being a creep has consequences. His own confession admitted to being a creep (the largest red flag being the claim of doing "dumb things while drunk", which is a go to in every obnoxious behavior). Eh.
The basis is his public admission that he was guilty, no?
Yet what is cited as the origin of the torch mob -- a twitter thread -- has a lot of pretty clear accusations by long time Twitter users, some of whom are fairly well known figures.
And FWIW, to use Animats' argument that lack of court proceedings is evidence, surely there's a lot of actionable libel in some of those twitter threads if they are invented. If there isn't such proceedings, is that proof that they're all true? I think we've hit a halting problem!
https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/noah-bradley-admi...
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Bradley
Live Twitter reference Link
https://twitter.com/Blackdeerly/status/1274715678444945412
Dead Twitter reference Links
'Bradley’s statement came the morning after concept artist Betty Jiang posted accusations on Twitter about a “bald headed crusty assed ‘well known’ artist who went around groping female devs,” saying that she hoped “to never see you and your shitty v-neck shirts at any workshops or conventions.”'
He apologized for a lot of things, but I don't see him admitting to or apologizing for groping anyone.
https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/noah-bradley-admi...
I have no way of judging the veracity of either side of this argument, but it sure looks like the allegations against him were specific --- at the time.
https://twitter.com/BettyDesuJiang/status/127450059571858227...
Several times above, I have included a link [1] with both a screenshot and description which in no way indicate that... He was accused of being a known groper but that was not a behavior he explicitly apologized for.
[1] https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/noah-bradley-admi...
This is what tptacek was referring to when he said that he used this apology in response to groping allegations.
It's hard to tell what's going on in twitter threads though. Twitter sucks at archiving this kind of info.
You even say you were drunk and did stupid things. It is plausible that you wouldn't even remember doing it.
If anything, your comment is exactly the problem OP is talking about.
That being said, I'm also not surprised that people on HN side with a man with a history of sexually harassment over his victims.
For inexplicable reasons, the HN crowd seems to think that because they're awkward around women that the same thing that happened to Noah can happen to them, but being awkward around women is not sexual harassment. Just don't grab a woman's body without her permission or try to proposition her within minutes of meeting her, and you'll be fine.